im not bashing the ss. i personally like the car and its about time another domestic came up. ok now theres alot of guys running 13.9 13.8 stock. i ran a 14 flat my first time out. then after a little practice broke into the 13s. i havenot ran into a single srt that wasnt modded because of the aftermarket support.also stock dyno is about 220hp. and the 04 srt do not have stage 1s on them. just injectors. the 03 and 04 makes them same hp.good luck with the modding guys.