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Old May 5, 2006 | 07:40 PM
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The latest Road & Track had a full road test of the Saturn Sky. The hp & torque to weight numbers are almost identical to the SS 2.4 - in fact the SS has a slight edge. Going by these numbers I expect the stock SS 2.4 should do 0-60 in about 7.2 (7.1?), and do thier slalomn in around 67 mph.

It seems like most car mags have focused on the SS/SC. But based on the Sky numbers - I expect the 2.4 to be right in there with the Sky and Pontiac Solstice.

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Old May 5, 2006 | 07:45 PM
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Few variables to keep in mind:

1) The Sky is about 100 lbs lighter than the 2.4SS

2) In order to get the same times, they would have to have the EXACT same gearing and I don't believe they do.

3) Comparing rear wheel and front wheel drive isn't always a straightforward comparison, the RWD cars may be able to pull down a better time because of better traction.
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Old May 5, 2006 | 07:45 PM
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The only difference I can think of really is that the Sky/Solstice are RWD and wear 245 tires. Traction is not an issue with them.
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Old May 5, 2006 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by alleycat58
Few variables to keep in mind:

1) The Sky is about 100 lbs lighter than the 2.4SS

2) In order to get the same times, they would have to have the EXACT same gearing and I don't believe they do.

3) Comparing rear wheel and front wheel drive isn't always a straightforward comparison, the RWD cars may be able to pull down a better time because of better traction.
those big 18" rims will take care of their better gearing. And they weigh more...I just can't find a link where they weigh.
But it'd be a close race no doubt
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Old May 5, 2006 | 07:55 PM
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The Solstice/Sky push about 2800-2900 lb, and the Cobalt coupes are in the same range, even though the GM website indicates more.
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Old May 5, 2006 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by alleycat58
Few variables to keep in mind:

1) The Sky is about 100 lbs lighter than the 2.4SS

2) In order to get the same times, they would have to have the EXACT same gearing and I don't believe they do.

3) Comparing rear wheel and front wheel drive isn't always a straightforward comparison, the RWD cars may be able to pull down a better time because of better traction.
Alleycat,

1) The Sky is heavier I believe - 2975 vs. 2815

2) Yes - gearing has an effect. But I expect the SS 2.4 is taller, as the Sky seems to have worse mpg.

3) Honestly, I did not know the Sky was RWD - not sure what impact that has.

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Old May 5, 2006 | 09:04 PM
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Alleycat,

1) The Sky is heavier I believe - 2975 vs. 2815

2) Yes - gearing has an effect. But I expect the SS 2.4 is taller, as the Sky seems to have worse mpg.

3) Honestly, I did not know the Sky was RWD - not sure what impact that has.

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The rear drive will give better track times
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Old May 5, 2006 | 11:31 PM
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Sky comes with alot more standard features then the Solstice. Hence the heavier weight and higher sticker.
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Old May 6, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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regardless the 2.4 ss is not too far behind from those times.. i say max we're about 7.5 to 60 with the auto...car and driver got a 8.4 to 60 with a cobalt sedan w/ the auto, we also have the same weight but 30 more hp so do the math.

"this 2900-pound Cobalt to 60 mph in 8.4 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 16.6 seconds at 84 mph. Those times would have beaten nine of the 10 cars in our Dreamboat comparo which was open to stick shifts only "

*Source C&D (http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...-ls-page2.html)
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Old May 6, 2006 | 10:10 PM
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7.5 might be a tad low for the auto--at least stock anyways. But add a few mods and you would be right there or quicker.
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Old May 6, 2006 | 10:37 PM
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One thing I have noticed on the car mags (and I get both both Road & Track, and Motor Trend) is that the 0-60, 1/4 mile times, etc., can vary between mags. I don't know if R&T knows how to launch better than, or what, but they consistently seem to post the fastest times of any of the major car mags.

Really, judging by the numbers I have been playing with, with a competent driver, and good launch, I think the SS 2.4 (stock) s/b right around 7.2-7.3 doing a 0-60 mph. The SS 2.4 hp & Torque to weight are very close to the Tiburon GT (v6). (Actually the 2.4 has a better hp ratio, and the Tiburon has slightly better Torque to weight, but they are very close.) The Tiburon is a front wheel drive also. The 0-60 times I see for the Tiburon GT are 7.1 (http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2138a.shtml) to around 7.4 (http://www.modernracer.com/hyundaitiburonv6.html). I'm pretty confident the SS 2.4 manual would be right there - probably low 7's - but not high 6's.

Here is kind of a fun 0-60 meter. I think the numbers are a bit more conservative - probably closer to real world - not track times.

0-60 calculator:

http://www.nitrousworld.com/0-60_performance.php

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Old May 7, 2006 | 12:30 AM
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Going back to your original post...I think we've established that they'll be pretty close to each other in a straight line. However the 2.4 won't come anywhere near 67mph in the slalom.
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Old May 7, 2006 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by avro206
7.5 might be a tad low for the auto--at least stock anyways. But add a few mods and you would be right there or quicker.

Well if you go by these specs the auto should be hitting abour 7.4 to sixty since a few people have done 15.8 stock in the 1/4...the numbers in the link are with the 5 speed.

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Sp...balt&trimid=-1
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Old May 7, 2006 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomtwtwtw
Going back to your original post...I think we've established that they'll be pretty close to each other in a straight line. However the 2.4 won't come anywhere near 67mph in the slalom.
Tom,

I think the SS/SC did around 67 mph in their slalomn, so I guess I would have to drop that number a bit. That is where suspension plays a big part. So yes, it would mot be 67. Something lower than that. The slalomn is much harder to compare against.

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