Cvenom arrested...
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Originally Posted by sneaky
Just stop talking seriously. Your not contrbuting anything to this thread except negative vibes. Your not an expert. Stop acting like one.
Originally Posted by seymourwood
Youre gay too.
And he is really beating himself up, that is why he came on here after it first happened and deleted threads and videos of him street racing or had his brother do it or had MODS delete them. A wee bit of a guilty conscience, you think???
I am curious what punishment you deem is appropriate???? Since jail/prison isn't.
And he is really beating himself up, that is why he came on here after it first happened and deleted threads and videos of him street racing or had his brother do it or had MODS delete them. A wee bit of a guilty conscience, you think???
I am curious what punishment you deem is appropriate???? Since jail/prison isn't.
Anyway, I think Cvenom should do a couple months in the County Jail, followed by Community Service, apologies to the family, and he should have to talk to local people and give speeches on how what he did was wrong, and how people should never be stupid and street race.
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Mercury,
No one seems to know much about anything yet we all speculate about how it happened, what should happen etc. Fact is we are not cops, lawyers, crash experts nor anyone who would know a lick of **** about anything.
It seems as though we all hop on the band wagon and assume this or that happened when we honestly don't know. People can say they know or know how it happened but we know nothing until real people who are "real experts" and do what they need to do.
Instead of mourning for this lady and wishing Chris good luck in this case we are all bashing, pointing fingers, coming up with ways on how it happened etc... It bothers me as a community that in the last several months people cannot keep there emotions in check. It's called the Internet. If you don't like what you see that's too bad. No one is perfect and everyone needs to realize that.
I love to say that I never street raced but the fact of the matter is we've done something bad on the road at one point or another. I bet within the first 20 posts for a new user states something in regards to street racing. I know I have stuff on here for that. I am not perfect nor do I brand myself as this. Other seem to grasp knowledge of the situation but can't seem to keep there emoitions in check which in some cases it's ok but in most cases it's not.
The world we live in is so screwed up and people quick to judge.
-Mike
No one seems to know much about anything yet we all speculate about how it happened, what should happen etc. Fact is we are not cops, lawyers, crash experts nor anyone who would know a lick of **** about anything.
It seems as though we all hop on the band wagon and assume this or that happened when we honestly don't know. People can say they know or know how it happened but we know nothing until real people who are "real experts" and do what they need to do.
Instead of mourning for this lady and wishing Chris good luck in this case we are all bashing, pointing fingers, coming up with ways on how it happened etc... It bothers me as a community that in the last several months people cannot keep there emotions in check. It's called the Internet. If you don't like what you see that's too bad. No one is perfect and everyone needs to realize that.
I love to say that I never street raced but the fact of the matter is we've done something bad on the road at one point or another. I bet within the first 20 posts for a new user states something in regards to street racing. I know I have stuff on here for that. I am not perfect nor do I brand myself as this. Other seem to grasp knowledge of the situation but can't seem to keep there emoitions in check which in some cases it's ok but in most cases it's not.
The world we live in is so screwed up and people quick to judge.
-Mike
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Originally Posted by NoRemorse
amen, all of a sudden he thinks that he knows all as far as law and physics, and ethics.
I've always though hispdpursuit was an idiot, and im obviously not alone. His posts aren't even taken seriously because he has dug himself a 'senseless' hole.
And it should not be considered murder...murder means intention, not accidental. And by accidental, it means no intentions, as in he didnt plan to nail her car. I also agree with a couple months, or a year, and then community service and probation. Even though he will never do something of the sort again, partly because he will never drive a car again.
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Originally Posted by mattyfinch
Anyone bashing or assuming instantly that cvemon was completely responsible needs just not post anymore. He was part of this online family, no matter how disfunctional we areat times, and NEVER intended to have any of this happen. We all know street racing isnt legal for a reason, and everytime we do it we are takinga huge risk, however thereare a million variables to consider that none of you have.... LIKE
did the other car start it, and cvenom was meerly trying to keep the respect level of ALL OUR cars, Did the older lady illegally move into the intersection....you know what, i dont care, SHE DID, there is no way anyone capable of driving would have pulled out into the intersection is they were able to properly judge distances and speeds, which is a requirement by law to hold a valid drivers license. This accident is a tragidy,however a by product of 2 MAJOR mistakes, one of which cvenom will pay for for the rest oof his life, and one the old women commit, thatcost her her life.
I hate seeing all the old guys on here with there family 2.2 slowbalts knocking him for racing, and stereotyping him just as much as i hate seeing all the young bucks on here with juiced up cars acting like they never put the foot to the floor now and then. Chris messed up, was in the wrongplace at the wrong time, thats it. Nothing more, and it coulda happened to anyone of us at anytime. Its just too bad it had to happen this way...and i hope that if they follow through with the murder 2 charges, that the other car is brought in, and also charged for murder 2... because it was chris's fault he was in thatparticular lane, or that the elderly lady wasnt able to drive efficiently..and drastically misjudged everything, therefore making the murder charged biased to him drag racing, which completely implements the other car just as severely as chris's. He could have hit the older lady just as easy if she had been closer, he had been faster, or simply been in the other lane.
As it is, this thread doesnt need to be closed, but it does need to be respected... no stereotypes, no bashing, nothing of that sort, how about we just keep it too the well wishes, personal relection, are get wells/good lucks, cause that whateveryone involved right now deserve from us.
matt
did the other car start it, and cvenom was meerly trying to keep the respect level of ALL OUR cars, Did the older lady illegally move into the intersection....you know what, i dont care, SHE DID, there is no way anyone capable of driving would have pulled out into the intersection is they were able to properly judge distances and speeds, which is a requirement by law to hold a valid drivers license. This accident is a tragidy,however a by product of 2 MAJOR mistakes, one of which cvenom will pay for for the rest oof his life, and one the old women commit, thatcost her her life.
I hate seeing all the old guys on here with there family 2.2 slowbalts knocking him for racing, and stereotyping him just as much as i hate seeing all the young bucks on here with juiced up cars acting like they never put the foot to the floor now and then. Chris messed up, was in the wrongplace at the wrong time, thats it. Nothing more, and it coulda happened to anyone of us at anytime. Its just too bad it had to happen this way...and i hope that if they follow through with the murder 2 charges, that the other car is brought in, and also charged for murder 2... because it was chris's fault he was in thatparticular lane, or that the elderly lady wasnt able to drive efficiently..and drastically misjudged everything, therefore making the murder charged biased to him drag racing, which completely implements the other car just as severely as chris's. He could have hit the older lady just as easy if she had been closer, he had been faster, or simply been in the other lane.
As it is, this thread doesnt need to be closed, but it does need to be respected... no stereotypes, no bashing, nothing of that sort, how about we just keep it too the well wishes, personal relection, are get wells/good lucks, cause that whateveryone involved right now deserve from us.
matt
Second one...you just said that nobody has any idea what happeded so how do you know she pulled out illegaly? also, it is almost impossible to judge speeds of cars coming right at you, most people rely on speed limits and landmarks to judge speed and distance. besides all of this, it was already established that the other cars could not be seen because of the rise in the road, she may have pulled out onto a celar road then they appeared over the top of the hill.
third part. you said nobody here has any idea of what went down...how do you know what happened?
the next paragraph...the other driver...granted there was one...could also be charged with murder...he is just as at fault as cvenom.
in the end it all comes down to this: Cvenom messed up, he did something illegal, somebody died, now he has to pay for his actions. Like I have said, most of us have raced or sped so we have no right to come down on him. He knew the risks, just as we all do, and now he is paying them. Yeah, he commited murder and yeah he should pay for it plain and simple. A jury of his peers will decide his fate and God will judge him for what he has done. Harsh but true. I would say this to anybody...even if it was my own friend or brother. Im not cold hearted, just speaking the truth.
Prayers for the families and friends of the victim and cvenom, I hope it all works out for the best.
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Originally Posted by Mercury
Sorry, I would just like to call you a hypocrite.
Your post:
Not to mention another of your posts where you have videos of yourself racing another car with traffic present.
Hmhh....
Your post:
Not to mention another of your posts where you have videos of yourself racing another car with traffic present.
Hmhh....
And if you took the time to read that post, show me where I said that I was racing through traffic. I waited until I passed the 350Z before I floored it... there was no traffic after him. It was a 6 lane highway and it was late one night coming back from my gf's. And your claim that I posted a video racing in traffic... BS. I have all of my racing videos on my webserver. Maybe you confused a video that I posted of other people racing... but it wasn't my car. I even double checked my videos to see if you were right.
At any rate... shut your ******* mouth until you know what you're talking about. I hate being accused blindly by idiots.
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Originally Posted by campo165
I've always though hispdpursuit was an idiot, and im obviously not alone. His posts aren't even taken seriously because he has dug himself a 'senseless' hole.
And it should not be considered murder...murder means intention, not accidental. And by accidental, it means no intentions, as in he didnt plan to nail her car. I also agree with a couple months, or a year, and then community service and probation. Even though he will never do something of the sort again, partly because he will never drive a car again.
And it should not be considered murder...murder means intention, not accidental. And by accidental, it means no intentions, as in he didnt plan to nail her car. I also agree with a couple months, or a year, and then community service and probation. Even though he will never do something of the sort again, partly because he will never drive a car again.
pre-meditated murder is planning to take a life
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Originally Posted by mattyfinch
however thereare a million variables to consider that none of you have.... LIKE
did the other car start it, and cvenom was meerly trying to keep the respect level of ALL OUR cars
did the other car start it, and cvenom was meerly trying to keep the respect level of ALL OUR cars
Srsly... WTF?
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Originally Posted by splink
murder is the taking of a life, it doesnt always have to be intentional
pre-meditated murder is planning to take a life
pre-meditated murder is planning to take a life
I was always under the impression that murder is always intentional, manslaughter is unintentional, and murder has degrees to the extent of the plan. such as 1st degree is planned out, and like 2md degree is a sudden murder, such as a conflict then shooting.
LAW on manslaughter: Law. the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought.
that just sounds more like the situation to me. he didnt have malice aforethought (premeditated) urges.
and pre-meditated murder is 1st degree, as in a robbery, 2nd degree murder in general is where you kill them but without any planning. that doesnt describe this situation.
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Originally Posted by PpAzZ1101
And your claim that I posted a video racing in traffic... BS. I have all of my racing videos on my webserver. Maybe you confused a video that I posted of other people racing... but it wasn't my car. I even double checked my videos to see if you were right.
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Originally Posted by campo165
I was always under the impression that murder is always intentional, manslaughter is unintentional, and murder has degrees to the extent of the plan. such as 1st degree is planned out, and like 2md degree is a sudden murder, such as a conflict then shooting.
im not stating facts here cause i may be wrong. you do have a point but i believe they can get away with chraging him with murder because he is at fault and he was performing illegal actions when it happened. i dunno for sure though, your have to ask a lawyer or law person to find out for sure
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Originally Posted by Grimlakin
You just pretty much admitted that you did it in having to check and see if you shared a video of it. Just FYI.
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This thread is worthless. Everyone is arguing over nothing. The guy fucked up we'll see what happens.
Everyone thinks they are right. Big deal if you street race or if you don't. This is an outcome of what can go wrong. Everyone can do what they want when driveing on the road and accidents happen. There are always going to be stories like this, and no one ever learns except for the people who have it actually impact their lives.
Today you have to be more of a defensive driver because you can't trust people on the roads.
So suck it up and stop arguing over who thinks who is right. None of you are right.
Wah... cry me a river this thread is going no where.
Everyone thinks they are right. Big deal if you street race or if you don't. This is an outcome of what can go wrong. Everyone can do what they want when driveing on the road and accidents happen. There are always going to be stories like this, and no one ever learns except for the people who have it actually impact their lives.
Today you have to be more of a defensive driver because you can't trust people on the roads.
So suck it up and stop arguing over who thinks who is right. None of you are right.
Wah... cry me a river this thread is going no where.
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Originally Posted by splink
im not stating facts here cause i may be wrong. you do have a point but i believe they can get away with chraging him with murder because he is at fault and he was performing illegal actions when it happened. i dunno for sure though, your have to ask a lawyer or law person to find out for sure
yea, im not saying IM RIGHT. Im just saying it makes more SENSE if that was the charge...know what im sayin?
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Originally Posted by sneaky
Frank this thread, forum and everything between has went south since all the big hitters left. I still wonder why I post here..
Mike,
The same reason I do.... because we are bored as IT guys and have a ridiculous amount of time to do this . Don't beat yourself up over it. I mainly use this site for the lounge and the dungeon. If it makes you feel better I still think you are cool
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Originally Posted by sneaky
Frank this thread, forum and everything between has went south since all the big hitters left. I still wonder why I post here..