i read most of all 9 pages on this thread. and i agree and disagree with some things people are saying. i have had to deal with a family member geting killed do to someone driveing like a ********. i see what it does to the family. my grandmother was killed buy a ******** ***** who ran a stop light went into her lane hit her head on and spon her pos honda civic around in a circle. she was at a dead stop and hiting the horn for the guy to stop but never did and hit her at least 50mph in a 25mph zone. she was a grandmother of 5 kids and a mother of 4. we sued the guy who killed her and the town police for ******* up the investigation. they never gave him a drug test or to see if he was drunk. they didnt do much of anything. this happen back in 1998 when she was 65 years old and i was in 5th grade. so loseing someone hurts bad and street raceing or driveing like a ******** ON TOWN STREETS is stupid. my prayers got out to both the familys and let a lesson be learned in this.

 

That was the point I was making, you cant beat basic physics in this case. They dont need to fix it if it isnt broke.
They will have no problem nailing him for a laundry list of charges under the traffic act.
However, given my experience here, its gonna be a fight to get him for murder. Not saying he doesnt deserve it either, its just that in these areas the law plays into the offenders hands. Especially if he has no priors etc.

The fact they seized the PC etc is a sign they are trying to build pre meditation and history of racing. They will look for written proof or videos of him racing in the past to help build up the case, I would imagine anyway. Ya know, play infront of the jury just before the victim impact statement is given etc.

If there's no priors here I'll bet this gets pleaded down ...

Oh by the way poster. If you cared about you're brothers freedom I would not post any details or anything about him or what he says about this. Be careful, you could f'k him good

Manslaughter: Voluntary
Voluntary manslaughter is commonly defined as an intentional killing in which the offender had no prior intent to kill, such as a killing that occurs in the "heat of passion." The circumstances leading to the killing must be the kind that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed; otherwise, the killing may be charged as a first-degree or second-degree murder.

For example, Dan comes home to find his wife in bed with Victor. In the heat of the moment, Dan picks up a golf club from next to the bed and strikes Victor in the head, killing him instantly.


Involuntary manslaughter <<This is my prediction, he will plead down to this pending no priors >>
Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes called criminally negligent homicide in the United States or culpable homicide in Scotland, occurs where there is no intention to kill or cause serious injury but death is due to recklessness or criminal negligence.

 

According to this, you are wrong. The legal term for Involuntary is this. Sounds about right what he should get.

MANSLAUGHTER, INVOLUNTARY - In order for a person to be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter the government must prove that someone was killed as a result of an act by the person;

Second, in the circumstances existing at the time, the person's act either was by its nature dangerous to human life or was done with reckless disregard for human life; and

Third, the person either knew that such conduct was a threat to the lives of others or knew of circumstances that would reasonably cause the person to foresee that such conduct might be a threat to the lives of others.

 

GREAT post!!!

Been in that situation with a good friend of mine who got t-boned by a street racer, VERY similar situation to this one only the guy driving the other car was also killed instantly and let me tell you that was way too easy of a way out for him. Just think about what it would take just to tell their parents/children/siblings or in this case grandchildren why their friend or family member isn't coming home. Lemme tell you, not easy. And that's just the beginning, try dealing every day with the fact that your loved one isn't around because some dipshit was too stupid to keep it at the track.

And yeah, it's easy to see how there are two sides. I guess for me it's easiest to see the side of someone who was killed because of someone else's stupid actions - that side is STILL a little too real for me.

And BTW with the "such a good person" defense...if you've ever spent time in a prison and interviewed people who are in prison...there are a lot more "good people" in prison than there are cold, heartless, evil people. I work on a study founded by the Department for Juvenile Justice which involves interviewing a lot of young adults (18-30years old) who are in prison for various major crimes. I do the coding and I see and hear taped interviews from them and you know what - a lot of the people in prison are overall decent people who, like Chris, made a stupid decision that landed them there.

As someone else said, it's over, it's done. It can't be wished undone and the facts are the facts - they can't be changed and they can't disappear. It's out of anyone's hands. Whatever is decided in a courtroom is decided in a courtroom and all parties will have to live with that. I hope for her family because I know it's hard to deal with. I know with friends over the years who have been killed in car accidents - it's something they'll never be over and something they'll never forget. I hope for Chris, too, because he's got a huge weight that's going to follow him around. Even if for some reason he can mentally forget what happened, he's going to have a felony follow him around the rest of his life. Every time he tries to get a job, he's going to be reminded when he has to put down his criminal record. It's not gonna be easy for anyone, it never is. But it happen and he made a choice that had horrible consequences, now it's just time to deal with that.

 

HiSPdpursuit

Your 1 class in Criminal justice doesnt make you a subject matter expert either. Involuntary manslaughter is be lamens terms the taking of ones life without premeditation.

You sound like a kid in college studying criminal justice. You dont know **** either. The definition of involuntary manslaughter as written in all legal books goes as followed. By the way I copied this verbatim from a bar exam book that a friend of mine has


MANSLAUGHTER, INVOLUNTARY - In order for a person to be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter the government must prove that someone was killed as a result of an act by the person;

Second, in the circumstances existing at the time, the person's act either was by its nature dangerous to human life or was done with reckless disregard for human life; and

Third, the person either knew that such conduct was a threat to the lives of others or knew of circumstances that would reasonably cause the person to foresee that such conduct might be a threat to the lives of others.


HOLY **** SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE WHAT HAPPENNED IN THE CVENOM CASE !!!

PWNED ! Have a nice day. I hope that shuts your arrogant mouth up

 

lol it seems us michigan boys are smart... SNEAKY ALREADY PWNED YOU HARD CORE. With the same statement that I was using.....

 

after reading everyone's posts...i had to think about if i actually wanted to add to this thread...fact is boys...he took a life and he should have to deal with the consequences...why can't everyone just leave it at that.....

 

to sneaky and 1stbluess:

great copy and paste...but you are lacking the educated part...which is what you lack.

if you actually KNEW law and understood and knew how to interpret it and apply it you would know that he can be charged with 2nd degree murder (which i have already posted the reasons why earlier) and is what he SHOULD and HAS be charged with given the circumstances..why do you think he has been charged him with that...whether or not its pleaded down to involuntary is up to the courts...

FYI copy and paste doesnt make you smart..GJ *********.

 

No my college degree which you are still TRYING to get makes me more knowledgeable than you. Also I too studied criminal justice my friend so let's not start talking **** about being uneducated. The reason they are charging him with 2nd degree is because of politics if you think there is any other reason I have some sand in the desert to sell you. I know it is really hard to form an opinion of your own when you are still in school, you beleive all the spoon fed crap that the government feeds you. Think on your own. Yes I agree he can be charged with 2nd degree murder, my point was by definition he should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Maybe I am wrong maybe you are a supreme court justice but im thinking not

 

Also if I copied and pasted that it would of been much easier lol, unfortunate I typed it from a book.... WAY TO BE A GENIUS SNEAKY HAHA

 

ignorance at its finest...

im done arguing with you because i know the way it works...you...do not.

 

really ? How do you know and none of us do ? I mean seriously you are really arrogant without backing anything up. Stomping your feet on the ground and shouting that you are right louder than everyone else does not prove that you are right. It proves you have heavy shoes and a big mouth.

 

It's because they are american!!!

 

alright. i live in the same town as this happened, not 5 minutes from me. apparently the black box read the speedo at 82 at the point of impact. this is what my dad told me so i'm sure he saw it somewhere. the state is the one who wants to give him the 2nd degree murder charge, which i agree with some of the other posts may be a marketing or political issue. i'm not saying i'm the smartest one on here, but i believe the things i'm stating are true. would you guys like it if i went to the intersection and took pictures from all angles?

 

^ lol nice. I still have yet to see anything he said validated. All I see is my posts that are very educated and researched and his calling them ignorant or whatever other key word he latches onto. The best is a canuck telling me about american law.... awesome !

 

This thread makes me embarrassed to be associated with this site.

This kid knowingly disobeyed the law... and it resulted in a death. That may not be planned murder, but it was knowingly risking the lives of everyone on the road that day. He ran that risk, and he lost. End of story. He's guilty in my book. I don't care if the lady ran a red light, didn't look, or pulled an illegal u-turn... the fact remains that he was going way over the speed limit (racing or not) and killed a person because of it.

Justify it all you want... "Oh we all street race." "Oh, we'll learn a lesson from it." Doesn't matter. Nothing you can say makes what happened ok... nor will it save that lady.

 

ive already proved im right like 2 pages ago...i dont understand what you are getting at...people were posting he cant be charged with 2nd degree....i proved wrong...people then started taking stabs in the dark at trying to prove me wrong and then get you and sneaky trying to look like yer smart by copy and pasting stuff from text without fully understanding what you are posting.

but hey...if copy and paste make you feel smart and more educated... then so be it

 

This thread if anything should make you proud to belong to this site. For the most part it has been real and passionate. Can't blame people for having passion. Some of us are more polished than others but I really enjoy this thread.

 

apparently you can't or just don't read very well. You CAN BE CHARGED WITH SECOND DEGREE MURDER. HE SHOULD NOT BE CHARGED WITH 2ND DEGREE MURDER. It really isn't hard to understand a definition. I swear i am about to walk over to legal and have one of them sign up and post to shut you up.

 

x2

Lock this damn thread before we get even more know it alls in here trying to be lawyers. The kid was an idiot, killed someone being an idiot, and should pay for it and will pay for it. Probly not only will he see jail time but the family will probly sue his ass for wrongfull death.

 

x2 agree

 

wait so now you changed your mind...he can be charged with 2nd degree now...but shouldnt...make up your mind.

but anyways now that we are sort of in agreement why do you think he SHOULDNT be charged with 2nd degree?

 

dude I always said that.... you are getting me totally confused with other people.

 

This is getting good... and for once Im not involved.

 

Maybe you missed that part. Hes not arguing that he can't be charged. Hes arguing that he shouldn't be charged for murder but for manslaughter.