Well I just picked up my Victory Red SS on Friday. I am 99% sure this is the first SS in Nebraska.

I am 26 and have owned everything from a 1992 Achieva SCX W41 to a 2002 Camaro SS. 26 different cars in all over the past 10 years, five 3rd Generation F-Bodies and four 4th Generation F-Bodies included.

I must say I didn't expect the performance I got with my Cobalt SS. I am pretty sure this is the most well balanced car I have owned so far. This platform is much more refined than the F-Body. The handling is absolutly mind blowing. It has almost no common FWD characteristics in this department.

Rating this car at 205HP may have been good for insurance reasons but on paper it makes this car look bad. Namely vs SRT-4's, but after driving both and after playing with a couple SRT-4's I can say that only Motor Trend can beat a SS in a SRT-4.

The only SRT-4 that impressed me was one running more boost. Stock vs Stock the SS will easily own a SRT-4. In any category...........................

 

NICE i cant wait to get my SS man... does it look good in red i orded mine in red how does it look... like i know i seen them in pic but in person how does it look? better then a blue?

 

I'm so excited...I must get my SS. Ooooo....

 

I must agree. I am almost 40 and also have driven a wide veriety of performance autos and the SS is extremely well balanced. Very few production cars have a 50/50 weight distribution, the SS does. For better traction in a turn add a rear sway bar, which the SS does not have.

 

These cars look alot better in person. The shade of red is perfect.

So many people are interesed in my car everywhere I go it makes my Camaro SS look common/normal.

 

Quit dreaming. 4 out of 5 magazines put the SRT in the high 13's bone stock. Only the most recent GM nutswinger Motor Trend must have put an absolute rookie behind the wheel of that SRT-4 to get it to go 14.4. Cobalt, good car with little to NO GM aftermarket PERFORMANCE upgrades (wheels and wings don't count) SRT-4 > Cobalt SS/SC in EVERY category with $350 in suspension upgrades.

 

No rear sway???

 

Wow enough with the excuses. Every post involving SRT-4 vs. Cobalt you say "well with upgraded this....and added that..." NOBODY CARES!!!. We're talking stock for stock here, if you want to compare mod for mod then thats a different topic alltogether, and not one that belongs in this thread.

As for 4 out of 5 magazines hitting 13's, I'd like to see some actual proof of that You try to make it sound faster than it is by always saying "13's", when in fact its really a 14.0 second car. Just like Walmart marks things at $13.99 instead of $14.00 to make you think you're getting a better deal

No matter how many upgrades you do, the SRT-4 would NEVER best the Cobalt SS S/C in every category. Its completely impossible, especially considering the SRT's rental car interior and Neon-on-steriods appearance Plus the 10 year old suspension and chassis are no better than the brand new Cobalt's, thats just a freakin joke -and don't get started about all the "autocross championships" crap because frankly nobody cares. Nobody here is using either car for professional racing with thousands in handling mods and stripped interiors, so its a moot point. You're just like the ricers who claim their gutted-out POS turbo CRX is the best car in the world because it handles well and runs 12's. Bad news for them is its still a POS Civic, theres more to driving than just numbers.

 

Poor SRT-4 guys.

It's a damn shame most of you lack knowledge of what your comparing your car to.

Motor Trend this Motor Trend that, they also tested LS1 F-Bodies anywhere from 13.0 to 13.9 is that correct for the LS1? No.

Just like no SRT-4 runs 13's stock and the SS is easily faster than 14.4.

 

I think your sig image is a bit too small for your nutswinging mentality. Here's C&D 13.9 (oh when you can show me a bone stock SS/SC break into 13.9s or faster with NO mods, then you can call it Walmart or whatver, until then STFU)

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=2

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coup...ng/index4.html

Motor trend, hmm 13.9 That's a far cry from that 14.4 they got later.

http://www.fast-autos.net/dodge/04dodgesrt4.html 13.9

Looks like MOST magazine and/or e-zine people can get SUB 14 second 1/4's out of the SRT bone stock, captain nutswinger.

Spoken by someone who clearly wants to bitch that your car is a full half second behind. Bwahahahahahahah


Hey quick question for ya, did your mom say that an "A-" was just as good as an A+ for her? Do you think that sports shouldn't be kept track by score?

 

Well, I'd like to see some other magazines test the SS/SC to see if that 14.4 on the SS/SC was an anamoly.

 

I had a SRT-4 owner ride in my car, (good friend of mine). He was so impressed with how the car handled, the interior (& the lack of his car had), The future performance upgrades it didn't matter to him that it was .3 of a second slower. All of it can be made up in aftermarket.

He is now selling his SRT-4 for something a bit better. An SS

I can't wait to see an SRT-4 sitting on a Chevy lot with a "USED" car sticker on it because the former owner bought an SS

 

You want proof that some automobile reviewers suck ass?

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=104953

15.4 from the SS/SC and 14.9 from the SRT?

Autochannel got a 14.6

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...12/036407.html

http://www.modernracer.com/history/c...uphistory.html 14.9

Miami Herald :rofl: got a 15.4 (must have been the same driver from edmunds)

I can't seem to find anything yet of a faster than a 14.4 from the SS/SC

 

allright enough bickering. about this and that, we all know srt-4 stock for stock, can out accelerate an ss, its proven, stock for stock the cobalt is greater, the srt-4 only has one thing going and thats raw ***** thats it, but the cobalt has the srt-4 beat in handling, build quality, interior quality. so no more bickering.


wesman no more attacks at voodoo only because he states his opinion.

voodoo, if you want to compare handling dont be adding an extra 350 dollars to the srt-4 to compare to the cobalt. if you add that then you add the same to the cobalt, so there for the cobalt will still have better handling than the srt-4. so both of you stop.

 

You're missing what I'm saying. I'm giving some props to the Cobalt SS/SC for it's slight edge in handling. That edge dissappears the moment someone A: Puts a 1" or more wider wheel on the SRT, OR someone gets some Mopar springs. What's the cost diff between the 05 SRT and 05 SS/SC? About $800 when comparing base price vs. Base price? Let's just make things equal eh? Oh and would ya mind showing me factory aftermarket springs for the Cobalt at any price? Oh and I goofed, the Mopar springs are $250, not $350

I just revel in showing up these GM nutswingers that the Cobalt is a worthy competitor to the SRT-4, but is NOT all they pump it up to be. One of the biggest reasons I hang out here is because the mods and admin actually have brains and are respectful.

 

The reason the SRT ran a 14.4 in motortrend was it only had something like 1000 miles on it. It was still green..

Does anyone know where that timeslip for the redline that ran a 13.9 went??

 

my main reason for posting is that i understand you defending the srt, i just get upset when people argue back and forth it ruins the thread for other members. i've noticed you and wesman argue back and forth, not only in this thread but a few others i know its not many but there is really no point behind the argument, the threads became hijacked due to the arguing.

 

Not to add fuel to the agrument or anything, but the last time I checked the guy at the Dodge dealership told me the price on the SRT-4 is non-negotiable. The SS is a different story. Plenty of people can talk down the price of the SS to match the SRT-4. Then they are even...and that goes into the whole stock vs. stock, and upgrade $ vs. upgrade $.

 

That can be viewed in a couple of different ways. Dodge isn't in the financial turmoil that GM is unfortunately in. There is more markup in ANY GM product over any other domestic mfrs.

My SRT stickered for 20,995, I bought it for $19,245 and I had $500 trade equity from my 99 R/T Neon So $18,745 was my final price pre tax on a car that had 2 miles on the odo Of course most any dealer is going to tell you that the price on a car with just barely $1,700 of markup is non-negotiable. The sales guy gets 25% of that. If you were a dealer that was trying to sell a car that stickered more for a car that had less, so to speak, you'd be scrambling to price match too.

 

you really dont know wha to belive the car and driver compared to the motortrnd one the #'s were a bit different so its really hard to belive them cuz all in all they can make it up a bit depending witch care they like more and rather if dodge or GM is a main sponser and wat not

 

Well considering that many magazines were able to get the SRT into the high 13's, I can take an average of the magazines and say that since most magazines that have any clout (excluding idiots like edmunds) were able get it into the sub 14 range, then it's a safe bet to say that the SRT can in fact do a 13.8-13.9 in the quarter. So far I have seen the fastest stock SS/SC do is 14.4. That will most likely change to a quicker E.T. in stock trim but until then.... we just wait.

 

They don't?

http://www.azchatfield.net/RR/Pics/2_031030090956a.jpg
(My first sub 14 sec run, stock)

http://www.azchatfield.net/RR/Pics/2_040316074953e.jpg
(I had about a dozen to 2 dozen runs in that night, each one in the 13's, these are just the best 3 from the night. Got surprised with a pro-tree on the 13.7 run, hence the poor reaction time).

How about adding drag radials ($300 total) and a $2 carburetor spring from Autozone:
http://www.azchatfield.net/miscpics/...4-01182004.jpg
(Car #5. This was a Hot Teams race against a modified GTP: http://www.outrunu.com/2004Jan18MoparGM.html)

There are numerous cars on SRTForums that have hit at least a 13.9 stock and a few (like myself) have managed 13.7's. Saying that stock SRT-4's don't run 13's is like saying Corn doesn't grow in Nebraska.

 

Corn NEVER grew in Nebraska you MORON!

 

All the SRT4 people saying the neons can break mid 13s are full of bs, their just biased and jealous that their turbo-ed car isnt as fast as they say it is. cuz my friend had an srt4 and as soon as he got it he took it to the track and ran high 14s, im sure its cuz he didnt know how to drive it but his trap was what its suppose to get so f-that. all u neon lovers need to realize that your car isnt much faster than the SS, if it even is. haha the SS is alot more sporty. look at the interior. the neons looks rediculously cheap. i know this doesnt have much to deal with anything but if u take that turbo off the srt4 it would be nothing. due to the fact how their setup is. that turbo is the only thing that makes those cars nice. i am just sick of all this negative talk about the cobalt. if i had the money i would of bought the SS but instead i got the LS w/ sports package. and that money i bought the cobalt i did at some point turn my head to glance at the srt4s but i would have been stupid to get one. u srt4 owners are comparing the srt4/SS like a ferrari to civic. dont get me wrong they are both nice cars but stop all this negative with the Cobalt.

 

Oh please, can't you get it? If your friends are trapping the same speed as the magazines and they're running high 14's then wouldn't that basically mean they were sitting there at the line spinning tires? Have you EVER been to a race track? I'm going to guess no. Quit drinkin h8rade. You're killing brain cells. Ferrari to Civic? What the hell are you smoking? Gimme some