I'm a GM guy, I would prefer the SS over the SRT-4,
but I'm not going to wear blinders and think that the
SS owns the SRT-4. The SRT-4 has lots more grunt
and can run 13.9s in stock trim. We need some guys
to get some real world numbers for the SS to see how
it's going to compare. The SRT-4 has LOTS of torque,
so I'm not going to be surprised if it stays on top of the
SS when it comes to 1/4 runs in stock trim.

 

Yep. Once the SS's start hitting the strips across the country we'll all have a much better idea of how they perform.

I've been searching but I have found that only Motor-Trend has actually driven the SS. Car & Driver's performance numbers are listed as "estimated" meaning they didn't actually drive the car.

It'll be interesting to see how well (or poorly) the other magazines drive the car and what kind of numbers they get from it.

 

Exactly, all anyone can go off of right now is what MT published. So to the "SS/SC is superior to ALL" get your head out of the clouds and show up your own timeslips

Oh btw, at 4300 feet elevation @ 100mph and a 2.2 sec 60' I cranked off a 14.1 in my SRT.

 

By "break mid 13's" do you mean run a sub 13.5 or do you mean run a mid 13. (13.4 ~ 13.6)?

Closest I know of (with a timeslip) :

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/myproj...1371_small.jpg

Time is listed in the database as Stock, w/ stock tires @ 21psi.

Then there are those that w/ the addition of drag radials or slicks that have hit 13.5's & 13.6's.

Not everyone can pilot their car to it's potential. And the weather can have a big effect on forced induction cars. My car was about .7 slower in July (~115 degrees) than in November (~60 degrees). Elevation can play a big role too. Guys racing up in Las Vegas (~4500ft) are happy with low 14's stock.

The more people w/ SS's that take them out to the strip, the lower the fastest ET will be, especially once a decent driver gets ahold of a "Factory Freak."

Once that starts to happen someone should add a sticky w/ the best times in it... Timeslip verified, of course

 

idiot with 21 psi...then its not considered stock haha...using a boost controller isnt stock. ur using more psi which obviously will make your car faster, no srt4 is stock with 21psi...

 

No the tires were at 21psi, for traction. The turbo was pushing the stock psi (~15).

At 21psi I trap about 108 and run 13.4's on the street tires, on slicks, it'd probably be high 12's.

 

co-yellow-balt calm down dont talk negative about any other cars, unless its a ford j/k, any ways yes the stock srt-4 can do 13's i've seen it. so dont go bashing the srt-4, its a great car to put the imports in check. so no more arguing and no more bashing the srt-4.

 

also co-yellow-balt, you should have question the psi, if its "stock" i dont believe, correct me if i'm wrong, that stock turbo can handle 21 psi efficiently. so if you had any knowledge about the srt-4 you would hav questioned that. so no more bashing. yes i do realize the 21 psi was tire size. i was refering to when he thought it was for the turbo. and boost controllers dont make any more hp if its set at stock psi.

 

Yeah well my car runs 11's on CRACK....

Yeah stop blabbin about this topic... its worn out... the SRT4 is stock a slight bit faster there is no way to argue it the numbers back it up.

Who cares though as long as both the SRT and the SS can beat the 06' SI its all good...

Also the difference between the SRT and the SS is so slim that driving can effect the outcome of a race so some people will beat an SRT with and SS and some the other way around.

 

Yah it definately depends on who is driving the car...Some can shift better than others

 

Being that my car has only 250 miles I take it easy but I still have easily pulled on a couple SRT-4's allready.

When there is a 2002 CAmaro SS sitting in my garage next to my Cobalt like I care enough to brag about whooping on yet another SRT-4.

Someone needs to make a video for the SRT-4 folks. Use footage/pictures of the Cobalt compared to the Neon. Use the song " I can do anything you can do better ".

 

ummmmm.....REAL GM guys dont have crappy hemi's in their names and links to hemi garbage...thanks come again.

p.s. people refer to them as "srt4" because their embarassed to call it a neon

 

You know, it's not a race if you're the only one with his foot on the gas.

If you were "taking it easy" then any SRT-4, poor driver or not, would smoke you badly if they're trying. Perhaps you ran into the Neon SXT w/ the "SRT inspired cosmetics:"

http://www-5.dodge.com/vehsuite/vimg...41_AJM____.jpg

Do you even know what an SRT-4 looks like?

 

What makes someone a REAL GM guy? My garage has 2 GMs.
My driveway has another GM. 2 of my prior 3 cars were GMs.
I purchase stuff with a GM credit card. I'm thinking that I may
get an LS1 SS/WS6 pretty soon, too. Am I not a real GM guy?

Since you read my screen name you THINK you know me?
It's not like my screen name is GMSucks or something. Geeez.

 

Well I came back to this thread to ask codyss his opinion on how much torque steer the SS gets. I see it has turned into another SRT vs SS/SC thread.. Both cars are alright, guys. Give it up.

Anyway, codyss, since you have a 2002 camaro to compare with, is the SS/SC torque steer something nasty, mildly annoying, or not too noticeable? The one thing I don't like is that damn FWD, but you can't exactly get a 2005 Camaro at 20k (or any price!)...

 

Crappy Hemi??? Oh boy, here's a slug. Care to tell me what motor dominated both drag racing and NASCAR back in the day? So much so that Ford and GM cried like little whiney biznitches to NASCAR saying that they had an unfair advantage? Yea it was a Hemi. Still the baddest motor for drag racing, period The only motor that Ford had a chance with was their 427

 

dang i thought the title of this thread was "F-Body guys opinion of Cobalt SS" not "eveyone let your ego out and start bashing the SRT-4 or Cobalt SS" come on now ya'll sound like my 4 year old cousin fighting w/ his brother about whos hot wheel toy can roll the furthest. "the srt-4 is way better" "no the cobalt ss is!" boo hoo. mods i thought your job was to keep this posts on the right track, if they want to battle out which car is better then they can go to one of the many other threads dedicated to this discussion. i was actually looking forward to real opinions "F-Body guys" had on the cobalt ss sheesh

 

I guess the "F-Body guy" shouldn't have opened this thread by bashing the SRT-4's then And then continue by making outrageous claims that were proven wrong.

I guess we just need to hit the track.

 

I was asked not to pick on people or make fun of SRT-4's so I won't.

But I will say this.

A) There aren't enough CSS on the road to say that they aren't running/can run certain numbers 0-60, 1/4 mile or otherwise.

B) Most people who own a CSS most likely had a N/A Cavalier or Sunfire so there driving may need to be retuned to get the best out of there CSS.

C) Stock vs Stock it's a drivers race. Neither has enough of an advantage TQ or HP to kill the other.


As for the Torque steer question, There is a little but unless you plan on letting go of the wheel when going WOT there isn't enough to worry about.

 

Agree 100% with A B and C.

Just don't tell me that SRT-4's can't do what I've already made mine do.

 

I agree with A & B but are you going to sit there and tell me that 250 torque vs 189 is not an advantage over the other?

 

Rememer the SS has lower gears than the SRT-4...

The two cars are close enough, stock for stock, that it is, with out a doubt, a driver's race.

Now if you were to put the two cars in a tug of war contest, the SRT-4 would drag the SS around. That's where the torque comes in. But then again the SS has wider tires from the factory... so...

 

Wider tires won't give more pulling power

 

One of the main engineers for GM performance division is my best friend of 20 years' father. Im taking my car to him in 3 weeks to have him tweak it. He says 270 is easily obtainable with minor computer tweaks, exhaust settups etc. I can't wait to see the first srt-4 after that day.

Stock for stock I would have to agree (sorry guys) that the srt-4 is just a tad quicker through the quarter for it pulls strong throught the final push.

But even in pro FWD drag racing it is conitinously proven that the ecotec is the most consistant, power friendly motor avialable to mod today. Lisa Kubos was a factory honda driver, and since her switch to the ecotec program ( she runs an ION) she has set many records along with racemate nelson hoyos. Shaun from dodge runs well, but is always outtracked by the ecotecs.

And ALL of these same proven race parts are available through GM performance parts catalog. Similar to the MOPAR available parts.

Again we are all tuners here, and it's not what you drive, but how you build it. I chose the SS simply because I love the body lines way more than the egg looking neon, I know the motor is the best proven race 4 cyl, and the interior is far superior.

I just don't know what chevy was thinking with that wing.

 

Several folks say that the parts for that Ecotec motor are available through the catalog, but the catalog shows that there are wheels and pedal covers and a wing. Where are the parts? Oh and on an added note, GM's race budget is 10 times that of Mopar. I would suggest watching this years salt flats racing