important zzp turbo question
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important zzp turbo question
i heard that when installing a turbo on a 2.2 lap you have to drill holes into the block for the oil return lines, does the zzp turbo kit involve that too?? thanks
HA HA HA HA SLUG YEAH OK. That is why a ss s/c car can out run a ss/tc, **** man if you have a sweet ass tune and a sweet setup a sc can run pretty damn quick! At least we dont have nearly as many issues with our motors then you guys do lol. blown piston. But the best stup for you if you want easy power is a s/c
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HA HA HA HA SLUG YEAH OK. That is why a ss s/c car can out run a ss/tc, **** man if you have a sweet ass tune and a sweet setup a sc can run pretty damn quick! At least we dont have nearly as many issues with our motors then you guys do lol. blown piston. But the best stup for you if you want easy power is a s/c
You're fricken crazy. lol. It takes a Stage II + to keep up with a stock t/c. Plus, the s/c's have been out since 05, so more people have had time to build their motors and whatnot, wait a year or so, and see if you say the same thing about the t/c's. I garuntee you'll be saying different.
stop ruining this guys thread, and op you wouldnt want the hahn no tap... go supercharger for easy or turbo for a constant headache. but the zzp kit is easy and includes everything but the tune
like i said before go s/c much eaiser. if you dont have a built block most def because you can only boost to so much lbs.
it takes the ss-tc a little bit to catch up to a s/c since we boost much quicker. get a car with a tvs, e85 good tune and all our bolt on with a built block OR EVEN A TURBOED lsj, and tell me a ss-tc with a bolt on upgraded turbo, and other mods and tune will beat a sc in the quarter mile, depending on driver. I would rather have a tc, easier power. but lsj make great power with a tvs or turbo setup.
say my car has tvs and e85 making 440whp and your tc makes 440whp. and we race each other in the quarter, with slicks, my car will not only have a quicker 60ft but also keep pulling harder on top end. A tc has lag we do not, a tc with bigger turbo has much more lag. we still dont with a tvs.
it takes the ss-tc a little bit to catch up to a s/c since we boost much quicker. get a car with a tvs, e85 good tune and all our bolt on with a built block OR EVEN A TURBOED lsj, and tell me a ss-tc with a bolt on upgraded turbo, and other mods and tune will beat a sc in the quarter mile, depending on driver. I would rather have a tc, easier power. but lsj make great power with a tvs or turbo setup.
say my car has tvs and e85 making 440whp and your tc makes 440whp. and we race each other in the quarter, with slicks, my car will not only have a quicker 60ft but also keep pulling harder on top end. A tc has lag we do not, a tc with bigger turbo has much more lag. we still dont with a tvs.
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like i said before go s/c much eaiser. if you dont have a built block most def because you can only boost to so much lbs.
it takes the ss-tc a little bit to catch up to a s/c since we boost much quicker. get a car with a tvs, e85 good tune and all our bolt on with a built block OR EVEN A TURBOED lsj, and tell me a ss-tc with a bolt on upgraded turbo, and other mods and tune will beat a sc in the quarter mile, depending on driver. I would rather have a tc, easier power. but lsj make great power with a tvs or turbo setup.
say my car has tvs and e85 making 440whp and your tc makes 440whp. and we race each other in the quarter, with slicks, my car will not only have a quicker 60ft but also keep pulling harder on top end. A tc has lag we do not, a tc with bigger turbo has much more lag. we still dont with a tvs.
it takes the ss-tc a little bit to catch up to a s/c since we boost much quicker. get a car with a tvs, e85 good tune and all our bolt on with a built block OR EVEN A TURBOED lsj, and tell me a ss-tc with a bolt on upgraded turbo, and other mods and tune will beat a sc in the quarter mile, depending on driver. I would rather have a tc, easier power. but lsj make great power with a tvs or turbo setup.
say my car has tvs and e85 making 440whp and your tc makes 440whp. and we race each other in the quarter, with slicks, my car will not only have a quicker 60ft but also keep pulling harder on top end. A tc has lag we do not, a tc with bigger turbo has much more lag. we still dont with a tvs.
I'm an idiot. Yeah no. It might seem retarted wut I said but some one who is smart will understand . A ss that is turbo'd has lag no matter wut. A sc car has insant power. Just to prove this fact my car was almost all stock just tuned by me with meth intake and exaust I raced a t/c cobalt with intake exaust and tune. We raced at the 8th mile we both launched even I spun a little with slicks he spun once in boost. We stayed together for a sec he started creeping and once my meth kicked in at 10 lbs at second shift the started creeping his time was 8.6 mine was 8.58 u ask how I got this time I'll tell u learn to tune and then talk. A car with the same power but differnt power adders or even the other car having the t/c having a little more power will be a tad bit slower due to a s/c car having instant power .... Remember I also said slicks not street tires. And if you think I am playing around with this try it your self tune for 30% boost in first and 80% in second make ure car do wut u want don't be stupid and put max boost all around. the car that is tuned right even with the same power the times will be differnt. And more theme Lilly the sc will always win. Now that I am built and I have all the mods I have I've ran against tuned trifecta Balts and were easily able to creep on them by a nose length a car. But I am built now and I am only pushing 16lbs on a 2.6 and I won't say why.
But like I said before do a sc build bro.
Sorry bout typing iPhone loves to change words
But like I said before do a sc build bro.
Sorry bout typing iPhone loves to change words
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like i said before go s/c much eaiser. if you dont have a built block most def because you can only boost to so much lbs.
it takes the ss-tc a little bit to catch up to a s/c since we boost much quicker. get a car with a tvs, e85 good tune and all our bolt on with a built block OR EVEN A TURBOED lsj, and tell me a ss-tc with a bolt on upgraded turbo, and other mods and tune will beat a sc in the quarter mile, depending on driver. I would rather have a tc, easier power. but lsj make great power with a tvs or turbo setup.
say my car has tvs and e85 making 440whp and your tc makes 440whp. and we race each other in the quarter, with slicks, my car will not only have a quicker 60ft but also keep pulling harder on top end. A tc has lag we do not, a tc with bigger turbo has much more lag. we still dont with a tvs.
it takes the ss-tc a little bit to catch up to a s/c since we boost much quicker. get a car with a tvs, e85 good tune and all our bolt on with a built block OR EVEN A TURBOED lsj, and tell me a ss-tc with a bolt on upgraded turbo, and other mods and tune will beat a sc in the quarter mile, depending on driver. I would rather have a tc, easier power. but lsj make great power with a tvs or turbo setup.
say my car has tvs and e85 making 440whp and your tc makes 440whp. and we race each other in the quarter, with slicks, my car will not only have a quicker 60ft but also keep pulling harder on top end. A tc has lag we do not, a tc with bigger turbo has much more lag. we still dont with a tvs.
Do you realize that we ran 11.99 on the LNF stock turbo, which has yet to be done on any supercharged Cobalt, TVS included.
Did you know that I've put down 1.71 sixty foots on the LNF stock turbo as well as the S256 turbo, which has yet to be done on a supercharged Cobalt.
Have you heard that our S252 powered LNF put down 525 ft lbs on a chassis dyno, when the highest TVS torque numbers I've seen are more than 200 ft lbs lower?
Did you know that in 2-3 hours worth of bolting parts on an LNF, you can make more power than any M62 LSJ.
I could go on, but I think you should get the point. Anyone that thinks that a supercharger can compete with a turbo performance-wise is seriously mistaken. There is absolutely no comparison, whatsoever. Where the Eaton supercharger shines is reliability and extremely low maintenance requirements.
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I read that, but it's not correct. A 300whp lnf can make 280+whp for nearly the entire 1/4 mile pass. A 300whp M62 LSJ typically drops to ~260whp on the shift.
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Do you realize that the highest torque from any M62 Cobalt is more than 100 ft lbs lower than what several people have made with the stock turbo on the LNF.
Do you realize that we ran 11.99 on the LNF stock turbo, which has yet to be done on any supercharged Cobalt, TVS included.
Did you know that I've put down 1.71 sixty foots on the LNF stock turbo as well as the S256 turbo, which has yet to be done on a supercharged Cobalt.
Have you heard that our S252 powered LNF put down 525 ft lbs on a chassis dyno, when the highest TVS torque numbers I've seen are more than 200 ft lbs lower?
Did you know that in 2-3 hours worth of bolting parts on an LNF, you can make more power than any M62 LSJ.
I could go on, but I think you should get the point. Anyone that thinks that a supercharger can compete with a turbo performance-wise is seriously mistaken. There is absolutely no comparison, whatsoever. Where the Eaton supercharger shines is reliability and extremely low maintenance requirements.
Do you realize that we ran 11.99 on the LNF stock turbo, which has yet to be done on any supercharged Cobalt, TVS included.
Did you know that I've put down 1.71 sixty foots on the LNF stock turbo as well as the S256 turbo, which has yet to be done on a supercharged Cobalt.
Have you heard that our S252 powered LNF put down 525 ft lbs on a chassis dyno, when the highest TVS torque numbers I've seen are more than 200 ft lbs lower?
Did you know that in 2-3 hours worth of bolting parts on an LNF, you can make more power than any M62 LSJ.
I could go on, but I think you should get the point. Anyone that thinks that a supercharger can compete with a turbo performance-wise is seriously mistaken. There is absolutely no comparison, whatsoever. Where the Eaton supercharger shines is reliability and extremely low maintenance requirements.
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What you choose comes down to what you're looking for.
If you're wanting a large amount of power and torque, go for the turbo. They push more air and don't require locking up some engine power in order to make it work.
If you're looking for reliability and ease of installation or are not planning on rebuilding the LAP with forged internals to handle the power from the turbo setup (I am assuming the rods in the LAP are similar to the ones in the L61: Not Forged), go with the supercharger.
The argument about turbo lag is moot. If you're running the proper sized turbocharger for your engine setup, turbo lag will be nearly unnoticable. If you're launching, just make sure you're adding throttle to keep the turbo spooled while waiting for the launch. Not that difficult.
lap has the same internals... he cant go turbo before i do 
i have a 2 week wait on my charge pipes unless i settle for polished instead of powdercoated black... and then wait on vulcan to send my oil return line
i have a 2 week wait on my charge pipes unless i settle for polished instead of powdercoated black... and then wait on vulcan to send my oil return line
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I'm not telling you to choose a turbo. I'm just saying that turbo's outperform superchargers on a regular basis. If you are looking for performance above all, then go for the turbo. For ease of installation and year after year reliability, the Eaton supercharger is very tough to beat. If you will be happy with 225-250whp(if you have an auto), go supercharged.
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I'm not telling you to choose a turbo. I'm just saying that turbo's outperform superchargers on a regular basis. If you are looking for performance above all, then go for the turbo. For ease of installation and year after year reliability, the Eaton supercharger is very tough to beat. If you will be happy with 225-250whp(if you have an auto), go supercharged.
but how much power can you put into a auto? cuz 09blackonblack wants to be the first tubo LAP but i wanna be first 
*******... im calling cxracing tomorrow and telling them to go ahead and send the polished... thanks alot 
are you really driving around with a boost gauge? and no boost? lol... me too
the auto is stronger than the stick
the auto is stronger than the stick
are you really driving around with a boost gauge? and no boost? lol... me too
the auto is stronger than the stick
the auto is stronger than the stick
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