I sure am! Spread the word, add to the campaign!

 

You've got my vote for keeping the TVS FAQ updated

 

hey who tuned your car bro?

 

No I want b00st when my warranty is up.

 

i agree with you. each person wants different things when modiing their car. i wanted something different so i went with the N20. no one around where i live has it and i wanted to be unique. and thats what i had. a one of a kind car.

but i found out how good my credit was after co-signing for kwest's 08 R6 and i got the itch, so a few months later i went and bought an 08 gsxr and its been my new baby ever since. my cobalt modding days are pretty much behind me now. i just figured i could sell the kit at a great price and give somone else a chance to be different for a great price!

and just for the record with the money ive spent on my car between the spray and all the bolt ons ive bought i couldve bought a turbo and then some hahaha but hindsight is always 20/20 i guess...

 

409cobalt07,that bout the turbo kit is true...but with the bolt on turbos available for the 2.2s,u woulda been spending a hell of alot more money and still making less hp than ur setup with n20 would have been i bet

 

not really. a bolt on kit for my 2.2 woulda put the balt around 200hp. with my car at 150-160 with out the spray, a 75 shot would only increase the hp level 50-60 at the most. so they would both be about the same, not a massive difference really... except the cost

 

Turbo... 350 hp... Thats just bottom line..

eaton.. 280 if you know what your doing...

I prefer HP i dont have to pay for every couple weeks.

 

but a way to be cost effective is nitrous. and depending on how much you use it doesnt mean you'll be spending money every 2 weeks....

 

Eh.. still...

 

Still? its hard to debate that nitrous is the cheaper way to make the kinda power the OP is talking bout. and its even harder to beat it if he ends up getting my kit for the price ima sell it to him for...

 

shortstack, we were refering to the 2.2 with the turbo discussion..

 

Oh.. well..

Considering its a higher displacement... if you took time to build up the engine, youll have one hell of a ride... the 2.2-2.4 are the only engines that currently have aftermarket cams being made for them.

a instant 50 extra hp on these engines will wear important things out alot quicker...

the turbo is safer, and youll still be at the same place u were with nos, without worrying about chemicals and youll have a cooler ride..

Its by all means the cheapest way to get higher power... im not aruging that point

id rather not take the fun out of getting my car where i want it to be by buyin some cheat juice

 

yes i agree, but the OP has only a certian amount of money to spend and when putting up nitrous, the TVS, or even a turbo for that matter the nitrous is stil the cheapest way to get the hp numbers he is looking for.

and as far as wearing out parts faster, if you were to ride a turbo day in and day out, those same parts, which were not designed to operate under the conditions of f/i, could just as easily wear out as well. where as if you ran a bottle only at the track, lets say maybe 10 runs a month for the sake of conversation, then the motor really wouldnt be put under all that much more stress than if you were running a turbo or TVS at the same hp level.

now dont get me wrong, im not saying the car will last forever or nothing will go wrong... but if done right, N20 really isnt as dangerous as people make it out to be. i mean there are cars on this forum that have been running a 75 shot on 2.2s for YEARS and nothing has gone wrong.

and if the car isnt tuned right and a turbo kit or TVS were to be installed then the car could just as well be ran into the ground. but on the other hand if someone were to race every weekend a run guys down the freeway on the way home from work then i would suspect things to go wrong more frequently than the other example i was talking about.

Sorry for the long post.... just my 2 cents

 

oh gosh, I thought I was suscribed to a TVS and N20 debating thread, not a nitrous vs. turbo thread. Damnitt...

that last paragraph is very true, hence derrick from houston who had a tvs installed and tuned by a proffesional shop in houston and his motor blew a week later at the track...

and im going to end this right now so this is not debatable. He said he has 2000 to spend. He said he has 280whp and wants more, and he also does not have the the supporting mods if he were to purchase the TVS, so he would have to spend more money. So lets say he spends 2250 on the tvs, then buys supporting mods and gets a tune from a experienced individual with the tvs (over the top performance) He is well over a $1000 in extras then. So now we are at approxiametly $3250 and what, 310-320whp? Dont quite me but i know lsjwannabe was at 318whp with the supporting mods as heat exchanger, methanol, smaller pulley, a crazy tune, and different fueling i believe...so $3250 apprx. probably more and he gained what??? a pain in the ass, a lot longer of waiting for parts to get in and installing, and 30-40 horsepower hopefully, and hopefully a good tune so it dont go boom. NOW....lets say he goes with nitrous. base kit $400-$500...best option you have really is to get 409cobalt07's kit cause its EVERYTHING to make a n20 as efficient and save as possible ($1400 worth) for $700 or $750 whatever. Get it in like 3-5days, take a weekend to install....NO TUNING REQUIRED..althought may be beneficial to get one if you want to spray a ton, and BAM a 50 shot would put you ID BE WILLING TO BET ATLEAST 330whp MINIMUN with your mods. So if you really want to get serious business, the other $1300 you spent, get motor work and tuning (rods, pistons, maybe cams, and a badasss tune preferably from trifecta) and you could spray the 100 shot (cause he has multiple jets included in the kit) and DOUBLE BAM!! 375-400whp....for the same or less money you spent on the TVS bullshit that makes barely over 300whp. Its commen sense. Spend $700, take a weekend to install n20, make 330-350whp....OR, be an illiterate son of a b*tch, and spend $3200-$3500 on TVS, wait alteast 3-4 weeks for parts to arrive, and spend a few days to install and make, again, barely over 300whp.....SO, Your welcome for the help. Case close, buy n20 and post pics, videos, and comments of how happy you are for having such a delicou-a-gasm in your car from 2nd to 3rd gear.

 

Asking for it.

Nitrous will cost more in the long run. Period.

 

you do not have to tune for a wet kit. although i personally would, but its not required...and yea youll be asking for it if you go to the track every weekend and spray your whole bottle each time...no one needs to do that. if your a consistent guy, goes maybe once a month or so, sprays maybe a bottle a month, if its all done correctly youll be ok.. people have been doing it for years

 

everyone read the bolded part carefully!!!!!!

damn kebly. you need to tell kathryn to give it up more. you seem so angry... hahaha

 

The original price of the tvs is 1850 now <--- thats the permanent price.

 

stil a lot more than my N20 kit

 

Hmm.. why do you need extra support mods for a supercharger that is MORE EFFICIENT than the eaton?

You dont need 1000 dollars in supporting mods..

And btw, if you get a good tuner... the tvs has gotten up to around 350 by a couple people..

Id rather have that on tap when ever id like...

 

because just like any aftermarket part to get the most out of it you need to add supprt mods to reach its full potential.

i just dont see why you wouldnt add anything to it anyway. no one spends that kinda money to get an upgraded charger and then just leave it at that.

 

because it pushes more air? wtf why do you need supporting mods to go stage 2

 

X2

that would just be rediculous. by a better charger and choke the **** out of it with stock airbox and exhaust hahaha

 

If the op is truely at 280 whp on his dyno he has a friendly dyno. Many people forget the fact i dyno'd 253 whp on my 2.5" m62 setup and was trapping 110 in the 1/4. Then i picked up 60+ whp on pump gas from the tvs and even more on race gas.