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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:35 PM
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From what I've read, Police LIDAR (laser) is normally aimed very low at a vehicle (license plate, headlights). And at a distance, the narrow beam doesn't spread out very much.

So the only chance you have on picking up/jamming that beam is to mount your detector as low as possible on the dash.
That's where mine is mounted. It picks up radar just fine from there (Ka from MILES away). But with laser you're pretty much screwed unless they get the person in front of you first.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:35 PM
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I live in VA where they are illegal. During the day not much of an issue as you can barely see the it by the mirror. Now at night not seing the lights by the mirror is a big savior. Plus I don't have to reach to mute it if there is a cop near by.
In most states where detectors/jammers are illegal if they catch you using one they don't just ticket you...they take it away. Goodbye valentine one!
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:47 PM
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Yeah, must be nice to have so much money that you dont know what to spend it on.

One day, he just says, "hmmmmm, i think im going to buy a $1,500.00 radar detector."
his company profits $50,000-65,000k a month so money not a issue for him.
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by silentd
if you get hit by LIDAR your fucked anyways unless u have a jammer
Exactly---that's why you need a jammer/shifter. Take it from an ex cop radar detectors are good but laser detectors are not worth the money
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by liljone
his company profits $50,000-65,000k a month so money not a issue for him.
so why is he driving a banger cobalt?
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by theneelster
so why is he driving a banger cobalt?
he driven a $90,000 Mercedes benz but im saying he uses that same radar system

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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:45 PM
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mines mounted right under the mirror and ran the power (extended) to the cig lighter (tapped the wires) and then added a switch in the center as we have always on 12 volt power supply....in both of the balts
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by chris88z24
That's where mine is mounted. It picks up radar just fine from there (Ka from MILES away). But with laser you're pretty much screwed unless they get the person in front of you first.
Yup.

But luckily (at least here in Upstate N.Y.) I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually seen LIDAR in action.

I think that's because the cop can't just sit in his patrol car and read the paper while taking speed readings like he does when using Radar. LIDAR has to be hand held and targeted at you through aiming sights (much like a gun).

I'm more worried about instant on Radar than I am about LIDAR ...
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nich7601
Depends on how high. You need it high enough to clear your head, seat, and windshield wipers, but below the dot matrix on the windshield. As long as you have a clear shot front and back you should be alright though. However, since you aren't in VA where they are illegal, I would just leave it front and center where it is proven to work best.
It's not illegal in NY but it is however illegal to have anything on ur window/dash. Kind of a loop hole around it. That's why I want to hide it as much as possible.

Originally Posted by firemanfrank
Yup.

But luckily (at least here in Upstate N.Y.) I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually seen LIDAR in action.

I think that's because the cop can't just sit in his patrol car and read the paper while taking speed readings like he does when using Radar. LIDAR has to be hand held and targeted at you through aiming sights (much like a gun).

I'm more worried about instant on Radar than I am about LIDAR ...
Might be a dum question but what is LIDAR?

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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 01:29 PM
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I have just a 150$ cobra radar detector and it picks up everything and has saved my ass countless times. i put mine on the left side of my rear view mirror at the top of the windshield and it gets everything from the back reall good. and of course its hardwired to the 12v.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MBMCustoms
I have just a 150$ cobra radar detector and it picks up everything and has saved my ass countless times. i put mine on the left side of my rear view mirror at the top of the windshield and it gets everything from the back reall good. and of course its hardwired to the 12v.
The dot matrix doesn't mess with it by the mirror?
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducky22287
It's not illegal in NY but it is however illegal to have anything on ur window/dash. Kind of a loop hole around it. That's why I want to hide it as much as possible.



Might be a dum question but what is LIDAR?
laser.

extremely accurate at a certain range and it is not detectable unless he is shooting at you.

problem is at certain ranges its unaccurate, and any fog, rain, snow, etc will throw it off.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by silentd
laser.

extremely accurate at a certain range and it is not detectable unless he is shooting at you.

problem is at certain ranges its unaccurate, and any fog, rain, snow, etc will throw it off.
Hmm, so is there any point in having a radar detector that gets radar when it can only detect it if it is already hitting you?
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by theneelster
In most states where detectors/jammers are illegal if they catch you using one they don't just ticket you...they take it away. Goodbye valentine one!
i iknow this but it ain't a crime if you don't get caught
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 02:04 PM
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in most cases once the radar detector picks up the police gun signal it is too late. common sense with basic radar detectors. if it is hitting your car he already has your speed.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducky22287
Hmm, so is there any point in having a radar detector that gets radar when it can only detect it if it is already hitting you?
He's talking about Laser and Instant On Radar there Ducky (they hold back the signal until they target you, then they hit you and your done).

There's also X Band Radar (old school, not used much by police anymore). K and Ka Band Radar is what most police agencies use now. And unless they're using the Instant On types (which not all do) then radar detectors can help.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducky22287
Hmm, so is there any point in having a radar detector that gets radar when it can only detect it if it is already hitting you?
hey nick there isnt a whole hell of alot of times where the cops us the LIDAR.. its mostly the state police that i see doing it.. i wouldnt worry about that to much and as for the window thing.. they wont bother you about that unless they are being ******.. but its a fix it ticket anyway lol
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 0redline6
hey nick there isnt a whole hell of alot of times where the cops us the LIDAR.. its mostly the state police that i see doing it.. i wouldnt worry about that to much and as for the window thing.. they wont bother you about that unless they are being ******.. but its a fix it ticket anyway lol
Is it really a fix it ticket? So I get the ticket, pop it off the window, go to the police station and BAM! I'm good?
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducky22287
Is it really a fix it ticket? So I get the ticket, pop it off the window, go to the police station and BAM! I'm good?
usually.. state police will not issue a fix it tho most locals will.. 9 out of 10 times they wont ever question it anyway i wouldnt worry about it.. i got one for my gradtuaion tassel about a year and a half ago for doing 80 in the jersey turnpike and the cop wascool hes like im giving you a ticket for front view obstruction and it cost me 10 bux lol
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 07:51 PM
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That brings up another topic then, it should be illegal to have a windshield mounted gps system.

Here is my 2 cents. I currently own a Passport Escort 9500i Blue. It's roughly a 450dollar radar system, and has been worth every penny. There have been a few posts that have false information in them, so I am here to clear that up with everyone.

Cops mostly use 3 types of radar. Ka - most common, K - still used but Ka is more common, Laser - instantly targets the car its pointed at and Instant On.

X band is also used however it is very outdated and automatic door openers have replaced this frequency. I believe its a 36.6 frequency but don't hold my word on that. Most X band frequencies are false alarms, and generally not cops.

Most people think laser detection is pointless. However it is not. Example. Lets say you are on the highway at the speed limit 65mph. You are in a rush, and so is the person ahead of you. The person ahead of you is going 80, so you follow at 75. Suddenly your laser detection goes off, so you slow down. The person ahead of you got tagged, NOT YOU.

The great thing about laser detection is it can detect laser from other vehicles not just your own. The part that sucks, is if you are alone on the highway, going 80, get tagged by laser, its more then likely your vehicle and you are screwed lol.

Now, Ka band is great. Whenever it is on, it constantly sends out a signal that our radar detectors can pick up. Most cops use this, and the radar community loves the cops for it. Most radar detectors can pick up Ka band miles away. The same thing goes for K band.

Now going to Instant On. This is a feature that almost got me once. I was going roughly 65 in a 55 and a cop came over the hill, I proceeded to slow down when BAM instantly my radar went off full blast. Luckily there was a car infront of me, and that is the car he was tagging but it picked it up.

Instant on is sneaky because it uses a Ka band frequency however almost instantaneously hits the target with emitting only a few rays. Once instant on is activated, radar detectors can pick it up, but if its directed at you, you need to act fast, because its A LOT like laser detection. Once a cop turns Instant On, on, you have about a second to press on the brakes before they have your speed.

I have never gotten a ticket, and have driven across country with this radar many times. I had a HUGE save in California through the mountains. Was pretty amazing. Moral of the story, radar detectors aren't the savior to not getting tickets, but a little heads up to let you know what is over the hill.

I can't tell you how many times that I have been on the bottom of a hill or a mile or two away, or hell once on the interstate 6 miles away, that my Ka band was slowly creeping up, and when it was at full blast, I look left and right, and see a trooper clocking people.

My personal rule of thumb is drive 5mph over the speed limit, ie 70 in a 65 etc, have your eyes open and radar on. This will usually save you from tickets
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 09:50 PM
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exactly what he said ^^^^^
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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does anyone have a cobra radar and it hard wired into the rear view mirror lights? if so pm with details
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 04:17 PM
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I mounted my Escort 8500x just below my rear view mirrorm, works great and its not so obvious.

later
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Zach06CobaltSC
That brings up another topic then, it should be illegal to have a windshield mounted gps system.

Here is my 2 cents. I currently own a Passport Escort 9500i Blue. It's roughly a 450dollar radar system, and has been worth every penny. There have been a few posts that have false information in them, so I am here to clear that up with everyone.

Cops mostly use 3 types of radar. Ka - most common, K - still used but Ka is more common, Laser - instantly targets the car its pointed at and Instant On.

X band is also used however it is very outdated and automatic door openers have replaced this frequency. I believe its a 36.6 frequency but don't hold my word on that. Most X band frequencies are false alarms, and generally not cops.

Most people think laser detection is pointless. However it is not. Example. Lets say you are on the highway at the speed limit 65mph. You are in a rush, and so is the person ahead of you. The person ahead of you is going 80, so you follow at 75. Suddenly your laser detection goes off, so you slow down. The person ahead of you got tagged, NOT YOU.

The great thing about laser detection is it can detect laser from other vehicles not just your own. The part that sucks, is if you are alone on the highway, going 80, get tagged by laser, its more then likely your vehicle and you are screwed lol.

Now, Ka band is great. Whenever it is on, it constantly sends out a signal that our radar detectors can pick up. Most cops use this, and the radar community loves the cops for it. Most radar detectors can pick up Ka band miles away. The same thing goes for K band.

Now going to Instant On. This is a feature that almost got me once. I was going roughly 65 in a 55 and a cop came over the hill, I proceeded to slow down when BAM instantly my radar went off full blast. Luckily there was a car infront of me, and that is the car he was tagging but it picked it up.

Instant on is sneaky because it uses a Ka band frequency however almost instantaneously hits the target with emitting only a few rays. Once instant on is activated, radar detectors can pick it up, but if its directed at you, you need to act fast, because its A LOT like laser detection. Once a cop turns Instant On, on, you have about a second to press on the brakes before they have your speed.

I have never gotten a ticket, and have driven across country with this radar many times. I had a HUGE save in California through the mountains. Was pretty amazing. Moral of the story, radar detectors aren't the savior to not getting tickets, but a little heads up to let you know what is over the hill.

I can't tell you how many times that I have been on the bottom of a hill or a mile or two away, or hell once on the interstate 6 miles away, that my Ka band was slowly creeping up, and when it was at full blast, I look left and right, and see a trooper clocking people.

My personal rule of thumb is drive 5mph over the speed limit, ie 70 in a 65 etc, have your eyes open and radar on. This will usually save you from tickets
amazing advice
i do 9 over on a daily basis, and I have no problems
when I do go 20 over (which is rare) I am super paranoid and scan for cops all over
these things are tools to be used, not relied on
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CBodnar
in most cases once the radar detector picks up the police gun signal it is too late. common sense with basic radar detectors. if it is hitting your car he already has your speed.
Originally Posted by firemanfrank
He's talking about Laser and Instant On Radar there Ducky (they hold back the signal until they target you, then they hit you and your done).And unless they're using the Instant On types (which not all do) then radar detectors can help.
Both of those statements are mostly correct, but a little bit of misinformation. Here is some more information to help:

Instant-on is properly known as RF-Hold. Basically the Radar is not emitting any RF until the officer flips the switch. However, just because he can get a reading on your speed within a second, does NOT mean that is admissible evidence in court. In most states, there is a minimum time the officer must have you "pegged" before he can use that speed. This time is usually several seconds of averaging your speed. This is why "POP" radar (which is similar to RF hold, but can get your speed in less than 1 second, then disengage) is not allowed to be admissible anywhere.

Radar is less and less accurate the more of an angle the officer is from you (basic Doppler effect, I wont go into the math), and just about useless from behind you. This means, to get a clear, good, admissible reading, the officer has to be as close to parallel as he can get AND in front of you. You will rarely, if ever, get pegged from behind. If you do, make sure the lawyer you get is aware of this - he will pick it to pieces in front of the court.

All radar equipment has to be certified, the operator has to be regularly certified, and it needs to be calibrated every so often (not as true as it used to be, modern radar is really impressive). A good lawyer will be aware of this, and can generally get the ticket reduced because of it.

Just some information for you speeders out there .

PS - I use an escort 8500 - one of the best radar detectors you can get on the market, the new ones are even GPS integrated to be aware of speed traps/etc.
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