No problem man. I'm not here to start ****. I love both models. I just want to get information out for new owners/members who may not know this stuff.

 

Yeah, i was refering to him. I didnt feel like quoting everything.

 

ditto.

 

tc all the way! because they come 260ish stock, they come in a sedan, they have a built in AFR sensor, u can get it in white, just a better car!

 

" It is still 30bhp short of a stock SS/TC, but it is not 55bhp short like all the magazines claim"

Did ya see the difference in TORQUE CURVES??? ..
HUGE. Stock for Stock>>> @5000 RPM SC Torque is around 180 FT Lbs..TC is 260 Ft lbs (both to the crank for reference). That's an 80 Ft Lb difference right there!. Plus the SC curve is *peaky* whereas the TC is as flat as Kansas! That's what really set's them apart as far as straight ahead performance.

 

Dude let it go. I was never claiming a stock SS/SC is faster/more powerful than a stock SS/TC.

Also, go look up a real SS/TC dyno graph. The torque curve is no where near that flat. Lets quit filling this thread with nonsense, and let it get back on topic. If you feel the need to cont. to argue numbers feel free to PM me.

 

just to try to stop any graph disputes between you two, here is the one from GM Tuner Source;



on the stock LNF cars, the ECM severely limits the torque curve - so it is quite flat.

 

Look..we're just haven' a *friendly* discussion here....
You're trying to MINIMIZE the difference in power between the two...it ain't trivial and that's what I was responding to. It's misleading to say it's *only* a 30 HP difference..
it's 80 FT Lbs where it counts.
OK..I'm done.

 

Sounds good

 

What he said.

 

I own an ss/sc and only complaint I have is the seats are not very comfy. Never been in an ss/tc and my car only has 22000 miles and I owe 3k so i don't plan on getting rid of it unless I got some good cash for it. I either plan on different supercharger like m90 or twincharge or turbo swap

 

I some what agree about the seats man. They are comfy on a long drive, but driving around town I'm slipping and sliding in and out of the seat. If I didnt order a late model 2007 SS/SC I would have picked up one with the Recaro seats. At least they hold you in better. I'm sure the SS/TC seats are way more comfy, and hold you in place. A guy on here picked up SS/TC prototype seats that were accented in blue. I wish I grabed them, because they would have looked great in my car.

 

I'm a newcomer here, but let me lay out a challenge. Last year, I shopped the country on the internet car buying sites and found a one owner 2007 Cobalt SS coupe, with 37,000 miles, for $12,500. I did a title search, had the car inspected, then bought it and had it trucked to me. I then took it to Hahn Racecraft, where the supercharger and related equipment were replaced with a Stage 5 turbo kit and 3" catback exhaust.

So I now have a car in beautiful shape inside and out, with 380 hp at the engine and 330 at the wheels. I'm doing 0 to 60 in about 4 seconds, and no car that has challenged me on the street has even come close. Currently, Hahn assures me it will run in the 12's and with an added boost controller (which would cost only a few hundred dollars) it would generate 425 hp and run in the mid 11's.

Bottom line: the total cost of this beast (including a TWM short shifter and radar detector) was approximately $21,000. I don't know of any other car out there you can get that is THIS fast and THIS cheap. Do you?

 

I paid 16 K for my 2009 SS/TC with 8600Mi already tuned..no bolt ons.
Dynoed 300 HP at the wheels (see my photo link here)..retune increased to 308.
OK..your car is a bit faster. Want to do a *ricer test* for me to compare our cars?
Take it from 60-100 in 3rd gear and time it with a stop watch. Let me know.
Keep in mind... my car has NO BOLT ONS.....yet. For $500 I can add em and retune my car to your level. Total cost after that 16500. BTW..you fail to take into consideration
TC>>>Suspension....brakes.
Not knocking your set up..very nice..but to answer your question:
I'll take my deal over yours.

 

Hey ronn, cool car! And a great deal. No doubt about that.

I don't think that you will ever outrun me, however, in any gear or at any speed without bolt on upgrades of the stock turbo system and exhaust system, which simply do not match up to the Hahn aftermarket products. Not only is it a hp issue, but also the narrower standard issue exhaust does not allow for maximum turbo efficiency. But obviously your car is damn fast and does have attributes that mine does not.

Mine also came with a leather interior, power sun roof, Pioneer audio system, and other sorts of upscale creature comforts. Does the stock turbo version have these as well?

Bottom line is that BOTH Cobalts, SJ and TC, can be made into monsters without too much outlay. Can't go wrong either way.

 

Agree..except ya need to do the *ricer* run so I know what I'm *up against*
I'm sure you love your car as much as I love mine....that's a good thing. These cars are very special.
Nice chat'n with ya!

 

i think this partial quote should sum it up, and the thread can be closed because of it;

 

ya but the turbos way better..........ok now the thread can end!!!!!

 

i have an sc and regret not saving up for a tc

 

i guess im the only one who drove a tc and wasnt really impressed with it lol maybe i love my sc to much but it just wasnt worth it imo

 

i love my sc never driven a turbo but i wanna be different than every other 4 cylinder out there with a turbo so what if the turbos are faster stock? maybe i like the whine of a supercharger lol and maybe ill have a tvs next time we race lol just sayin

 

all cars are a waste of money they depreciate in value every mile you drive get ******* used to it. I can't ******* stand some of the negativity on this site it is like walmart on a saturday morning.

 

I'm glad i missed this thread the first time around..... hope it stays dead after this . The SS/SC is a lot better car than some TC owners give it credit for .... it's not always about peak numbers , powerbands also play a big part in how these cars pull .

 

I spent 1700 on a brand NEW tvs from a member on here I got my cobalt for just under 10,000 so not even twelve grand plus some of my minor bolt ons totaling in under 1000 dollars (black friday sales) anyway I have yet to see a ss/tc even come close to me... still waiting on a worthy oponent I am open and willing to meet someone half way to prove me wrong that their big bad turbo is better than my tvs... my tvs should have only leveled the playing field since you tc guys have 55hp on me... right?

 

Having said all that..
If I had an SC Stage 2 with the same milage as your TC (with mods) would ya take my car and $5k for a swap?