Not going to happen. Think about it. Why would they make a 260 HP Cobalt SS, when the Malibu SS has only 241 HP. The Cobalt will keep the LSJ for at least a few years!

It would be like GM making a new Camaro SS with a 550 HP version, while the Z06 only has 505 HP but costs $40,000 more!

Plus, their competition in the market has about the same power. Civic Si: 197 HP; Caliber SRT-4: 235 HP, RSX Type S: 210 HP, etc.

The Cobalt SS is still and economy car too. Remeber that GM is not as concerned about fuel economy in a roadster, whereas the Cobalt still needs to be marketed as a fuel efficient daily driver, and thus maximum performance was obtained using the supercharger, without seriously compromising fuel economy. The Turbo 2.0L will not be as fuel efficient as the SS.

GM will not put this engine in the Cobalt! Sorry, not going to happen. You want a 'balt with this engine, you are going to have to buy it and swap it in!

 

I agree with everything you said except what I put in bold. The turbo 2.0l with variable valve timing and direct injection will have way better fuel efficiency compared to the LSJ. Plus it will be in a lighter car.

 

No, Solstice is heavier and way less aerodynamic. There is no way it will get 23 MPG like the SS superhcarged. The 2.4L is less fuel efficient in the solstice than the 2.4L ss. Think about what you are saying!


This is straight from GM's website:


Cobalt SS 2.4L

2.4L High-Output DOHC ECOTEC
5-speed manual transmission 25/34
Curb Weight: 2815 lbs

Solstice 2.4L

2.4L High-Output DOHC ECOTEC
5-speed manual transmission 20/28
Curb weight: 2860 lbs


Data from:

http://www.gmcanada.com/english/home/ (weights)
http://www.gm.com/ (fuel economy)


Numbers speak for themselves!

 

Think, before you respond trying to correct me.

The new turboed 2.0l(not 2.4l) coming in the Solstice GXP has variable valve timing and direct injection, where as the supercharged 2.0l LSJ (the engine we are comparing it to) does not have variable valve timing or direct injection . Again since we are comparing the Solstice to the Cobalt SS/SC it[Solstice] is a lighter car. Here again... how do you know the Cobalt SS/SC has a lower cD compared to the Solstice?????

 

If it could go into the Cobalt, it dosent have to be 260hp.

 

um the car does a 0.90 G, it's not a heavy bitch. It weighs 100lbs less then the SS.

2006-2007 Pontiac Solstice

Pros :
- Sleek original styling.
- Excellent handling.
- Bargain price.
- Supercar braking performance.
- Enough headroom for tall people.

Cons :
- Sparsely equipped base interior.
- Not exactly quick.
- Limited luggage room.
- No spare tire.
- Fun for only two people.

 

i'd buy 1

 

Well in my opinion, I think that GM made the right move by going to a supercharged setup. If you look at all of the success that Ford has had with the Cobra and other vehicles, it just makes sense. Also, you can't beat the torque curve of a supercharged setup. I have several friends with Kenne Bell setups on their mustangs that are making 4,5, and 600 plus wheel hp. Wouldn't it be great if Kenne Bell ever decided to produce a M62 version of their world famous blowers? Anyway there are all kinds of pros and cons you could discuss about the two...but there are only a few other cars where two hours work and some simple hand tools can give you 50+ hp to the wheels(unless your going with nitrous)...lol.

Just my .02

Later,
Vince.

 

Ahh my mistake. I did not realize it was Canadian. Thanks for correcting me

 

I bet in 08 the Cobalt will get this 2.0 Turbo.

From a development standpoint it would be cheaper to have one forced induction setup. With more models to get this engine the costs could be spread around---and the cost per unit lowered.

As for it outpowering a possible Malibu....so what? Not the first time a smaller car had more power then a bigger one at GM. People looking at a Malibu might need the bigger size. Very few people go for the highest hp they can get. Ususally the average person has other priorities.

 

possible swap i am smelling?

 

thats fine and all, but autoweek (a tad better source) says the same thing i just said...

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../51228003/1057

 

Just add to the debate that is allready old.

I highly doubt what ever engine the Solstice gets is under rated, Why would it be? The G6 GTP isn't and neiter is the other SS models.

The Cobalt SS was under rated so when it kept up with SRT-4's GM could pat themselves on the back. It wasn't done for insurance reasons or other BS like that either.

If they say the Solstice gets a 260HP it most likey does have 260HP just at the flywheel. Which the Cobalt SS could simply surpass with the stage kits.

I myself am more worried about the real sports cars GM needs to be making. The Solstice is just another " trendy " car just like the HHR. IMO it's a waste of marketing and design.

I would rather see time/money being spent on a ugly ass retro Camaro.

 

2.0L turbo will have better economy just because of the direct injection.

While the blower does rob power, if your just cruising the eaton takes like 1/3 of a HP when it's bypass is open.

I just hope the turbo stays outta the cobalt so us LSJ guys don't get screwed with no parts because the LSJ was a 2 model year engine.

 

hmmm....its RWD 2 seater. I'd call it a real sports car. Whats wrong with the HHR? They're selling quite well fro GM and helps add to their bottom line.

Solstice is an affordable image car as well. GM gets good press from it.

 

Obviously none of us has dyno'd or seen the turbo ecotec 2.0 yet, but a turbo'd 2 litre @20 PSI with direct injection and VVT is definetly a step above the LSJ in power and tech. I doubt the stage 2 LSJ will be able to catch up to it in terms of power output.

 

Agreed. PLus the LSJ doesn't suffer from any turbo lag

I don't think so. Look how well the Mazda Miata has done, its been around for over 15 years and still going strong. In fact its even in the Guiness Book of World Records as the best selling sports car in history.

The MX-5 really didn't have any competition until the Solstice, so it was definitely a wise move for GM to enter into the segment with their own competitive vehicle. Whereas the HHR kind of missed the boat, the Solstice and Sky are entering a fiercely competitive segment thats still growing.

 

I was wondering, is the 260 hp SAE certified???

 

it should be coming. Heres what was at the very bottom of the press release about the engine.

"*SAE certification pending. A new voluntary power and torque certification procedure developed by the SAE Engine Test Code committee was approved March 31, 2005.

This procedure (J2723) ensures fair, accurate ratings for horsepower and torque by allowing manufacturers to certify their engines through third-party witness testing. GM was the first auto manufacturer to begin using the procedure and expects to use it for all newly rated engines in the future"

J2723 is the newest SAE method of rating an egnine if you haven't heard. The old SAE method had some loop-holes. Many Japanaese car makers have had their hp fall using the new more accurate method. (Acura TL went from 270hp to 258 for example)

 

Turbo? Meh. Words like whipple and blower make me moist. When cobalt came out I was like oh man that car is ugly and probably undependable. But when they said blower for under 25k canadian? SOLD

 

The 2.0Turbo will have a dual scroll turbo so there will be very little if any turbo lag. This is pretty much the engine they had in mind when developing the 2.2 eco. And word has been going around that the 2.0turbo will land itself in an AWD Cobalt with the price tag of under 30g's.

 

Never... not with the name Cobalt. Maybe a new car. Also yeah you are right about the turbo lag or lack thereof.

VVT doesn't help fuel economy now???

 

I dunno , I didn't say it didn't. I thought VVT was about the cams and I have never read anything about cam's getting you better gas milage.

I said that the direct injection helps fuel economy.

 

the more i see this car the more i love it and for around $28 you could prob talk them down a bit too. ive have also heard the stock tires will be the goodyear eagle's. plus rwd... nuff said right there

 

[QUOTE=wasey13]Never... not with the name Cobalt. Maybe a new car.
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Granted i'm not holdling my breath but I think i'm correct in saying that GM does have an AWD ion.
Let me find where i heard that and i'll pos tit