ss/sc intercooler
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i knoe but doesnt the heat exchanger help cool down the coolant that enters through the laminovas in the intake manifold? kinda the same principal as a raiator right?
i'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything, i'm just using this as a learning experience and trying to get my facts straight
i'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything, i'm just using this as a learning experience and trying to get my facts straight
intercoolers are used to cool the air charges before they enter the combustion chamber.
radiators cool the engine itself.
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Yeah an intake manifold with a air to water intercooler. The heat exchanger on our car's is only 1 of many parts of our intercooling system.
Whoever called it an Aftercooler is right , but now a days the word intercooler has taken over and can and is used to describe both.
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An INTERCOOLER is what is used on setups with multiple stages of forced induction-just like tractor pullers who may be running two turbos on one engine (one spooling up at lower RPM's than the other). The INTERCOOLER cools the charge "INBETWEEN" (Hence the prefix "inter") the two turbos/superchargers-if their centrifugal of course and not positive displacement. On the other hand, an AFTERCOOLER is the correct name for a device that cools the charge between the discharge of the blower and the inlet of the throttle body. Paxton, Powerdyne, Procharger, Kenne Bell, Saleen etc, etc, all make such devices as we know. Just wanted to clarify this because so many people use INTERCOOLER in an incorrect way even though it has become the "norm".
Whoever called it an Aftercooler is right , but now a days the word intercooler has taken over and can and is used to describe both.
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An INTERCOOLER is what is used on setups with multiple stages of forced induction-just like tractor pullers who may be running two turbos on one engine (one spooling up at lower RPM's than the other). The INTERCOOLER cools the charge "INBETWEEN" (Hence the prefix "inter") the two turbos/superchargers-if their centrifugal of course and not positive displacement. On the other hand, an AFTERCOOLER is the correct name for a device that cools the charge between the discharge of the blower and the inlet of the throttle body. Paxton, Powerdyne, Procharger, Kenne Bell, Saleen etc, etc, all make such devices as we know. Just wanted to clarify this because so many people use INTERCOOLER in an incorrect way even though it has become the "norm".
the "inter" prefix is not referring to the connection between two forms of forced induction
It is referring to the connection between the forced induction and hte engine. It's a cooling system in the connection between the forced induction and the intake manifold. If intercooling referred only to between two forms of forced induction there would be very few systems that could even plausibly be called that. You would have to have a SEQUENTIAL twin turbo setup as parallel or actual TWIN systems never connect to each other. There are very few of these systems in the auto world and the only one i can think of is the rx-7, which in actuality doesn't use an "intercooler" as you describe it. I can't think of a single situation where a sequential biturbo setup would actually use a cooler between turbo's.p.s. on a positive displacement supercharger, the throttle body is BEFORE the actual compression.
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By definition a radiator is "any of various devices (as a series of pipes or tubes) for transferring heat from a fluid within to an area or object outside". You have a radiator that transfers heat from the engine's cooling system to the ambient air and you also have a radiator (i.e. the heat exchanger) that transfers heat from the liquid-to-air coolant to the ambient air. And by definition an air-to-air intercooler is also a radiator that transfer air from the fluid (which can be a gas) to the external ambient air.
This thread seems to be spiraling down a path of arguing over definitions and it's possible to apply more than one definition or term to certain components in the LSJ's intercooling system. The term "intercooler" or "aftercooler" could be used to describe the whole system of components that comprise the charge air cooling. If you want to break it down further, the Laminova cores in the intake manifold are the air-to-liquid intercooler cores, which might fit the service description of a heat exchanger but generally are not called that in this application. The front mounted heat exchanger that transfers the heat collected from the Lamniovas to the ambient air passing over the heat exchanger core is generally called a heat exchanger but you wouldn't be wrong in calling it a radiator. Some cars also have radiators for oil-to-air cooling, differential fluid radiators, and even power steering radiators (though in those applications it may more commonly be called a "cooler": same difference).
The biggest thing is understanding how the system works and being able to convey what you're talking about to others. A few people are calling components like the heat exchanger a different name but we're able to put it in context and understand what is being discussed. When you use a term that isn't generally interchangeable (like calling the Laminova cores the heat exchanger or the front mount heat exchanger/radiator the intercooler) it brings about confusion in trying to figure out what part is being talked about.
See above post #62. That is really close to the generally accepted industry descriptions that have dated back decades.
This thread seems to be spiraling down a path of arguing over definitions and it's possible to apply more than one definition or term to certain components in the LSJ's intercooling system. The term "intercooler" or "aftercooler" could be used to describe the whole system of components that comprise the charge air cooling. If you want to break it down further, the Laminova cores in the intake manifold are the air-to-liquid intercooler cores, which might fit the service description of a heat exchanger but generally are not called that in this application. The front mounted heat exchanger that transfers the heat collected from the Lamniovas to the ambient air passing over the heat exchanger core is generally called a heat exchanger but you wouldn't be wrong in calling it a radiator. Some cars also have radiators for oil-to-air cooling, differential fluid radiators, and even power steering radiators (though in those applications it may more commonly be called a "cooler": same difference).
The biggest thing is understanding how the system works and being able to convey what you're talking about to others. A few people are calling components like the heat exchanger a different name but we're able to put it in context and understand what is being discussed. When you use a term that isn't generally interchangeable (like calling the Laminova cores the heat exchanger or the front mount heat exchanger/radiator the intercooler) it brings about confusion in trying to figure out what part is being talked about.
See above post #62. That is really close to the generally accepted industry descriptions that have dated back decades.
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the "inter" prefix is not referring to the connection between two forms of forced induction It is referring to the connection between the forced induction and hte engine. It's a cooling system in the connection between the forced induction and the intake manifold. If intercooling referred only to between two forms of forced induction there would be very few systems that could even plausibly be called that. You would have to have a SEQUENTIAL twin turbo setup as parallel or actual TWIN systems never connect to each other. There are very few of these systems in the auto world and the only one i can think of is the rx-7, which in actuality doesn't use an "intercooler" as you describe it. I can't think of a single situation where a sequential biturbo setup would actually use a cooler between turbo's.
It is referring to the connection between the forced induction and hte engine. It's a cooling system in the connection between the forced induction and the intake manifold. If intercooling referred only to between two forms of forced induction there would be very few systems that could even plausibly be called that. You would have to have a SEQUENTIAL twin turbo setup as parallel or actual TWIN systems never connect to each other. There are very few of these systems in the auto world and the only one i can think of is the rx-7, which in actuality doesn't use an "intercooler" as you describe it. I can't think of a single situation where a sequential biturbo setup would actually use a cooler between turbo's.
Or to be more specific, not thinking outside the automotive box and forgetting the commercial and industrial applications of turbocharging and supercharging (prior to the '70s) when the terms were first created. You would see compound compression with an intercooler between the different stages or after them. That's where the terms originated and where the definitions come from. Due to the popularity of the OEM and aftermarket automotive systems starting in the late '70s they have loosely become interchangeable, but that still doesn't overrule where the terms came from. 
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i installed an ott with bumper on in about 3 hours..only reason for the long time is the factory hose clamps are those little pinch type ********. and they were both facing the wrong way...once i got to the install part it was about 45 minutes..great product!!!
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I didn't reuse them no... but it would be hard to cut them... the biggest tip I can give is because the part of the clamp you have to grab is facing towards the hood not the ground, is to just try and get it facing down towards the ground then it's ALOT easier to remove the clamp!
alright thanks alot bud :Twothumbs, i'll pm you if i have questions. by the way i think i may have met you back in the day at chipotle in independence, it crossed my mind got me thinkin
Because you're not thinking outside the box. Or to be more specific, not thinking outside the automotive box and forgetting the commercial and industrial applications of turbocharging and supercharging (prior to the '70s) when the terms were first created. You would see compound compression with an intercooler between the different stages or after them. That's where the terms originated and where the definitions come from. Due to the popularity of the OEM and aftermarket automotive systems starting in the late '70s they have loosely become interchangeable, but that still doesn't overrule where the terms came from.
Or to be more specific, not thinking outside the automotive box and forgetting the commercial and industrial applications of turbocharging and supercharging (prior to the '70s) when the terms were first created. You would see compound compression with an intercooler between the different stages or after them. That's where the terms originated and where the definitions come from. Due to the popularity of the OEM and aftermarket automotive systems starting in the late '70s they have loosely become interchangeable, but that still doesn't overrule where the terms came from. Exactly!
In WWII, some fighters and bombers were turbo-supercharged. The P-38 was one of them, it had a turbo in the boom behind the engine that would feed a single stage engine mounted supercharger with a INTERcooler to cool the charge before it was compressed in the SC . It was used to make more power at higher altitudes where the air is thin.
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If it was wingless it was me... I was the only one in the area at the time! I told everyone I was just stage 2 for the longest... and at the time I could've only been stage 2 I don't remember! LOL
It didn't stay Stage 2 for very long, then I met Bryan and all hell broke loose!
If it was a big white guy that'd be me!
It didn't stay Stage 2 for very long, then I met Bryan and all hell broke loose!
If it was a big white guy that'd be me!
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If it was wingless it was me... I was the only one in the area at the time! I told everyone I was just stage 2 for the longest... and at the time I could've only been stage 2 I don't remember! LOL
It didn't stay Stage 2 for very long, then I met Bryan and all hell broke loose!
If it was a big white guy that'd be me!
It didn't stay Stage 2 for very long, then I met Bryan and all hell broke loose!
If it was a big white guy that'd be me!
lol white yes stocky dark hair. i'm asian if that helps lol i'm sure you dont get many asian kids coming up and asking
Soo with all this talking... Which H/E is the best unit... I had a Cx Racing (small one) that got damaged in a wreck, and I need a replacement... It did just fine with my 2.7" but the fitment was bad because it was custom...
Soo what's the "best" one ZZP, OTT, or CX..? I am leaning towards the ZZP because of the fitment. The OTT seems like a second choice.
Also more importantly, should I run the stock H/E inline like I did, or get rid of it with this bigger H/E?
Soo what's the "best" one ZZP, OTT, or CX..? I am leaning towards the ZZP because of the fitment. The OTT seems like a second choice.
Also more importantly, should I run the stock H/E inline like I did, or get rid of it with this bigger H/E?