Why are you lol'ing? We forever have this




Here's a video incase you're a visual learner...

 

I don't see what you are arguing about here?

If you want to be technical it's an AFTERCOOLER...

 

No, the heat exchanger is not an "intercooler". It's technically just a radiator and is part of the intercooler system (the liquid-to-air setup). If you want to get technical the actual intercooler cores are the Laminovas in the intake manifold.

 

Don't fuel him... he's too dense to realize that it has a completely different function than the air to air intercooler!

 

I never said it didn't, fact is its still called an air to liquid intercooling system....

 

x2.. everyone thinks you need a turbo for it to actually be called a reall intercooler.. its just a differnt type.. if you dont believe me .. then like i said please call or e-mail any intercooler manufacturer and ask them

 

y are you arguing about what the system is called we are not talking about that the fact is the heat exchanger IS NOT AN INTERCOOLER

 

ok well not gonna argue with people who can't comprehend..
hm talking about heat exchangers?
ok. well if you're looking to upgrade that to the top of the line cooling system you will want to strongly disregard what was said above. granted this solution is by far one of the most expensive, it is the best solution.
this would be the griffin dual pass h/e. replaces stock unit and is more effiecent than many of the cheaper h/e's that people are running dually in line with the stock.
so do you wanna spend money or get the very best? or settle for a little less?

qwikredline is one of the few i know to be using it, and most info is derived from him.
it is the same unit that gm uses to upgrade their performance versions of cars.

 

You gonna go there with efficiency... what do you have that proves that.

What changes in IAT2*'s do you have to prove that Griffin STOCK location H/E is better than say a large core front mount H/E?

I have 100's of logs to prove what my IAT's are... do you... or what proof do you have that it's better?

Or are you just a name nutswinger?

 

I don't have it on mine, I'm not pushing my car to the brink and when I do it will be a vrooom psh not a wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. .

Like above mentioned, qwikredline has it.
he's one of the people who helps build the time attack cars.
I think it's safe to say that he knows his ****.
Haven't seen any of his logs but I gurantee you they're better than most if not all other h/e's

 

I know John and he knows his ****, kthxbai

 

Yeah an intake manifold with a air to water intercooler. The heat exchanger on our car's is only 1 of many parts of our intercooling system.

Whoever called it an Aftercooler is right , but now a days the word intercooler has taken over and can and is used to describe both.

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An INTERCOOLER is what is used on setups with multiple stages of forced induction-just like tractor pullers who may be running two turbos on one engine (one spooling up at lower RPM's than the other). The INTERCOOLER cools the charge "INBETWEEN" (Hence the prefix "inter") the two turbos/superchargers-if their centrifugal of course and not positive displacement. On the other hand, an AFTERCOOLER is the correct name for a device that cools the charge between the discharge of the blower and the inlet of the throttle body. Paxton, Powerdyne, Procharger, Kenne Bell, Saleen etc, etc, all make such devices as we know. Just wanted to clarify this because so many people use INTERCOOLER in an incorrect way even though it has become the "norm".

 

running 2 coolers is the way to go I have been happy with mine!

 

ZZP has a smaller core unit and doesn't include stainless accessories and slighlty less hose then us

 

intense arguement lol

 

Heat Exchanger = Intercooler...

It is either a Air to Air intercooler, or a Air to Water intercooler.

A heat exchanger is a general term used for something that displaces heat due through a type of "exchanger".

Technically, a air to air (turbo) exchanges heat using air. Our system exchanges heat using water.

They ARE the same thing.

 

Short did you get my pm about the hpt?

 

What exactly does the GM dual pass end plate do?

 

I will refer you to a post on RLF once I can find it, will explain everything better than I could with words.


here it is, credit to ebristol for post .

 

so does this intern mean a radiator is a intercooler?

 

radiator cools the enigne bud

 

i knoe but doesnt the heat exchanger help cool down the coolant that enters through the laminovas in the intake manifold? kinda the same principal as a raiator right?
i'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything, i'm just using this as a learning experience and trying to get my facts straight

 

no. aftercooler is a term used by vortech for their intercoolers. An intercooler doesn't come before the turbo/blower either, it comes after. You guys have an air/liquid intercooler.

 

By definition a radiator is "any of various devices (as a series of pipes or tubes) for transferring heat from a fluid within to an area or object outside". You have a radiator that transfers heat from the engine's cooling system to the ambient air and you also have a radiator (i.e. the heat exchanger) that transfers heat from the liquid-to-air coolant to the ambient air. And by definition an air-to-air intercooler is also a radiator that transfer air from the fluid (which can be a gas) to the external ambient air.

This thread seems to be spiraling down a path of arguing over definitions and it's possible to apply more than one definition or term to certain components in the LSJ's intercooling system. The term "intercooler" or "aftercooler" could be used to describe the whole system of components that comprise the charge air cooling. If you want to break it down further, the Laminova cores in the intake manifold are the air-to-liquid intercooler cores, which might fit the service description of a heat exchanger but generally are not called that in this application. The front mounted heat exchanger that transfers the heat collected from the Lamniovas to the ambient air passing over the heat exchanger core is generally called a heat exchanger but you wouldn't be wrong in calling it a radiator. Some cars also have radiators for oil-to-air cooling, differential fluid radiators, and even power steering radiators (though in those applications it may more commonly be called a "cooler": same difference).

The biggest thing is understanding how the system works and being able to convey what you're talking about to others. A few people are calling components like the heat exchanger a different name but we're able to put it in context and understand what is being discussed. When you use a term that isn't generally interchangeable (like calling the Laminova cores the heat exchanger or the front mount heat exchanger/radiator the intercooler) it brings about confusion in trying to figure out what part is being talked about.

See above post #62. That is really close to the generally accepted industry descriptions that have dated back decades.

 

good explanation blackbird thanks