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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 02:00 PM
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i think its funny that people change it every 3k
if you use synthetic, trust the meter
when its below 20% or so, i wouldnt drive it like an *******
on my last oil change, i let it go down to 3%, had no problems, oil didnt look terrible, and this was at 8000+mi

i dont know why people wouldnt trust it, even if something goes wrong, you have a warranty, and you followed the car's instructions to a T
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by artawesome
i too have had my cobalt since dec. i had oil change 2 weeks ago-was about 300 miles less then 3000. for my warrenty, i need oil changed every 3000 miles. might have had about 60% on oil
Yeah it's kind of funny the way that works. In order for you to keep your warranty it needs to be changed every 3k, but they told us as well not to have it changed until 5k.

We want the warranty, so we'll change it at 3k, better safe than sorry.

P.S. Synthetic Oil does break down, and does actually need to be changed. I'll agree that changing oil every 3k is probably not necessary anymore, with today's new oils, and the cleaning additives being put into our gasoline. But the warranty booklet is pretty clear about the 3k mileage/change.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tiny
i think its funny that people change it every 3k
if you use synthetic, trust the meter
when its below 20% or so, i wouldnt drive it like an *******
on my last oil change, i let it go down to 3%, had no problems, oil didnt look terrible, and this was at 8000+mi

i dont know why people wouldnt trust it, even if something goes wrong, you have a warranty, and you followed the car's instructions to a T

I know ... do you guys not trust your gas gauge either ....

"oh its at half, better fill up so I dont get stranded on my way to the convenience store"
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
I know ... do you guys not trust your gas gauge either ....

"oh its at half, better fill up so I dont get stranded on my way to the convenience store"
I've had gas gauges go out and leave me stranded. I use it as a reference, but I also watch the trip meter, just a habit i got into.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 08:54 PM
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Many motorists today are confused.

For several years General Motors, BMW and Mercedes-Benz have been installing monitors on their dashboards that light up to indicate when its time to change oil. GM monitors have frequently allowed motorists to drive 5,000 miles and as much as 7,000 miles or more before signaling that it's time to change oil. The Mercedes-Benz service system indicates 10,000-20,000-mile oil change intervals.

Naturally, this flies in the face of the 3,000-mile drain recommendation.

What's a Car Owner to Do?
Petroleum oil companies have insisted their oil needs to be changed every 3,000 miles, even for vehicles with the dashboard light. But the world's largest automaker, General Motors, states that oil change intervals should not be based on miles driven, but rather on driving style. In a feature story titled, "Supersize Me! GM moves to extend drain intervals," (May 2004 Lubes N Greases, vol. 10 issue 5), David McFall unveils the latest move in GM's strategic plan to cut loose drain intervals.

The GM solution is for motorists to depend on its patented Oil Life System (OLS). The owner's manuals in today's GM fleet no longer make specific mileage recommendations. Instead, the GM Oil Life System analyzes the engine's operational data including temperature, revolutions, speed, to calculate the rate of engine oil degradation and determine when an oil is nearing the end of its life. At this point a message on the dashboard signals that it is time to change oil.

Each OLS computer model is engine-specific because GM believes each engine behaves differently under the various driving situations and conditions. For this reason GM is on record as stating there can be no standard oil change interval. Both cars and driving styles vary. The OLS allegedly calculates all factors pertaining to the engine and the driver and thereby makes its oil change recommendations.

GM senior project engineer Robert Stockwell has been studying analyzed oil samples from vehicles with OLS.

"In all cases where the OLS signaled for an oil change it was before the oil was worn out," according to Stockwell. "Many of these samples were from vehicles with greater than 10,000 miles on the oil, a few with more than 14,000 miles and at least one with 16,000 miles. These intervals were recorded in vehicles using regular mineral oil. Synthetic oil gets even longer oil change intervals."



Hope this helps..............!!
Good article. You conspiracy theorists crack me up. if GM wanted to lie to people, why would they hire a guy to analyze the engine's with the OLS? I think that wouldn't be smart in an age of cost-cutting and large lay-offs. I just checked my oil yesterday, andI've put over 7500 miles since last change, and my oil is fine! A little dark, but not thick, black and tarry, like you conspiracy theorists say. If you have the money to waste change it every 3k, but don' preach to us that go by the meter. We really don't give a **** about your opinion.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by keeper51
Well I took my car in for it's first oil change at like 50% oil life left and was told right to my face by the mechanic which is a buddy of mine, not to bring it in till the oil life is near 0% because it's a waste of his time and my money because it really doesn't need to be changed before then. I talked to my step-dad about it and he's a class A mechanic and he said that the oil life meter is reliable and to go by it. Not to mention I did call GM headquarters in Oshawa to confirm this and they told me to use the oil life meter in the car because it was designed for that matter. I find it hard to believe that GM and it's dealerships would lie to us about that since they would want us to buy another car from them. Now maybe someone can educate me on oils a lil but our SS/SC are running synthetic oil, i've been told by mechanic this **** does not break down, i know mechanic who said they don't change the oil because synthenic does not break down, they just change the filter and add a litre when they do.


synthetic oil doesnt break down? if hes filling it with a liter once in awhile....where do you suppose it goes? either its breaking down or burning it?, either way not too good....just a thought!
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kissmySS
oil doesnt break down? if hes filling it with a liter once in awhile....where do you suppose it goes? breakdown? or burning it?, either way not too good....just a thought!
the lil oil u lose when u pull the filter out
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 09:04 PM
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good point!......lol my bad.....


Anyways....while i got ya hear we need to plan a meet for us london and area boys and girls?....wont highjack this thread with details but keep an eye on our london treads...!
Hope all is well........
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kissmySS
good point!......lol my bad.....


Anyways....while i got ya hear we need to plan a meet for us london and area boys and girls?....wont highjack this thread with details but keep an eye on our london treads...!
Hope all is well........
oh for sure, got my summers on this past weekend and i'm ready to go. I'd like to go to a London meet before May 1, I will be moving to Kitchener May 1st so I won't be in London very often after that except for a meet or to strip the paint off the freak with my speed lol
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 09:10 PM
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Ya im rocking the warped summer tires....(theres a conspirecy theory i have) that sucks that your moving....to the KW, ah well give ryan c7015 and myself more reason to drive up i guess
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kissmySS
Ya im rocking the warped summer tires....(theres a conspirecy theory i have) that sucks that your moving....to the KW, ah well give ryan c7015 and myself more reason to drive up i guess
Kinda had to, i've only had my SS since June 14th and i'm just over 46 000 km's on it already, can't keep that rate up forever man ya know and i work in Guelph so, gonna cut down an hour drive each day for me and save like 80-90km's per day i figure
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 10:42 PM
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I hear that....Im not as bad 26000km since may, but driving atleast to ingersoll sucks evryday, i can only imagine what you deal with.........
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kissmySS
Ya im rocking the warped summer tires....(theres a conspirecy theory i have) that sucks that your moving....to the KW, ah well give ryan c7015 and myself more reason to drive up i guess

I'm actually in KW allot ...for partying reasons works out well
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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Here is how I see it. GM puts the oil life meter there for a reason. Synthetic oil has come along way. I get my oil changed by my dealership so as long as they keep changing my oil and I go by the oil life system and something goes wrong, my dealership is taking care of it.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 09:54 AM
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yea i go by the meter, i am generous and change out at 25%, that still gets me about 9500 kms per oil change, which is great, while im paying $100 cdn for an oil change, it lasts double what id normally change at, so the price evens out.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by phxSS
Good article. You conspiracy theorists crack me up. if GM wanted to lie to people, why would they hire a guy to analyze the engine's with the OLS? I think that wouldn't be smart in an age of cost-cutting and large lay-offs. I just checked my oil yesterday, andI've put over 7500 miles since last change, and my oil is fine! A little dark, but not thick, black and tarry, like you conspiracy theorists say. If you have the money to waste change it every 3k, but don' preach to us that go by the meter. We really don't give a **** about your opinion.

Psychotic episode? You can do what you want with your car, including driving it off a bridge, no one's telling you to do anything. We're all talking about what WE do. EEgads man, how exactly does that translate into us telling YOU what to do.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jokieman
Psychotic episode? You can do what you want with your car, including driving it off a bridge, no one's telling you to do anything. We're all talking about what WE do. EEgads man, how exactly does that translate into us telling YOU what to do.
By degrading people because they don't do what you do, means that you are telling them what to do.
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