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Old 05-17-2009, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by scott allen
maybe you need to work out ?
haha no
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Originally Posted by zrated89
that torque wrench isnt close to being accurate the only ones i reccomend are the snap on ones but bring you wallet the good ones are 200-300 a piece the ones are sears are ok and a little cheaper crafsman is def better than that crap u posted
A $300+ SnapOn wrench is just as bad as guessing if it isnt regulary calibrated, combined with the fact that they are not the most robust design and they arent just grab and go(you must constantly set/reset micrometer stlye wrenches) its not a good choice for the DIYer.

A decent flat beam type torque wrench that will cover most things on your car(0-100ftlbs) can be had for about $45. WELL worth the money.
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I like my Impact gun
Old 05-17-2009, 05:31 PM
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i use snap-on torque wrenches, wasnt risking any torque specs on rebuilding my entire motor from ground up
Old 05-17-2009, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by brickloaf
how much did that cost you? im just not gunna spend like 200 bucks just so i can take my wheels off the clean the rotors
Mine cost me $60 on sale, down from $120 regular.

More of a worthy investment for us Canuckians who need to swap wheels before/after winter time.

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lift some weights!!
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Originally Posted by Force
Mine cost me $60 on sale, down from $120 regular. I doubt you can get the Mastercraft brand in the states though, I believe it's the rough equivalent of Snap-On sold by Canadian Tire here.

More of a worthy investment for us Canuckians who need to swap wheels before/after winter time.
No, SnapOn is the equivalent of SnapOn.

Mastercraft Maximum is the equivalent of Husky as found in Home Depot, Kobalt in Lowes and Craftsman in Sears here in the USA. Mastercraft Maximum tools actually appear to be made by Stanley/Mac/Danaher in Taiwan, and the basic mastercraft suff is most likely Chinese or lower quality Stanley stuff.
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Originally Posted by Maven
No, SnapOn is the equivalent of SnapOn.

Mastercraft Maximum is the equivalent of Husky as found in Home Depot, Kobalt in Lowes and Craftsman in Sears here in the USA. Mastercraft Maximum tools actually appear to be made by Stanley/Mac/Danaher in Taiwan, and the basic mastercraft suff is most likely Chinese or lower quality Stanley stuff.
I stand corrected Original post edited.
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No problem.

A $50-100 torque wrench is a great investment for anybody who does their own tire rotations or brake jobs. Itll work for your brake caliper bracket bolts too. I mean seriously, $50 wrench pays for itself in just one brake job or 2 tire rotations.
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i don;t even use a torque wrench to put my wheels on, just a breaker bar and a little bit of muscle behind it and there good to go.
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Originally Posted by BlackSSNick
i don;t even use a torque wrench to put my wheels on, just a breaker bar and a little bit of muscle behind it and there good to go.
Putting enough torque isn't the issue at all... Any guy who isn't a ***** can deliver well over 100ft/lb. If you're doing it by hand and using maximum force, you're probably WAY over-torquing the lugs. The point of a torque wrench is precision, not power. Over-torquing lugs can break studs and warp rotors.

Even if I'd paid $120 (full price) for my wrench, it would have paid itself off quickly. Our local dealer charges like $40 for a wheel swap. Doing it yourself takes maybe 20 minutes provided you don't use the shitty jack in the trunk... Believe it or not, I use the jack from my girlfriend's Mazda 3. Certified for roughly the same weight, lifts via the pinch welds, and jacks the car up MUCH quicker.
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Originally Posted by BlackSSNick
i don;t even use a torque wrench to put my wheels on, just a breaker bar and a little bit of muscle behind it and there good to go.
If I use a breaker bar and a little bit of muscle my wheels are WAAAAY over torqued.

A 2 foot breaker bar can get to 100ftlbs with one hand easily. Most people would be very suprised to feel what 100ftlbs really is with a big lever. It doesnt "feel" tight enough at all....But its plenty, even the Koni Challenge cars torque their wheels to 100ftlbs.
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maybe i should buy a torque wrench lol
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Originally Posted by o3nisoaso3
i will not have tires put on by shops anymore. i have had to replace 13 lugs because they cross threaded them putting them on with an air impact. but ur best bet is to take it back to them and have them change it, they were the last ones to put the lugs on and if they are cross threaded and snap like mine did then it will be on them to replace it. i went thru it with the shop when i left with one lug cross threaded n half on, another snapped n that was only a few miles after i left, turned around n told them they fucked up n they replaced all 4 right then n there..... if this is what happened in ur case, hope not tho
THIS. I will not have a shop put wheels on and off my car. I put winters (or summers) on my car, take whatever wheels and tires need worked on, and have them returned mounted and balanced and then I'll put them on. If I have to take it in for service and the wheels are removed and replaced, first think I usually do is re-torque them. 90% of the time the car comes back with the lugs torqued to OMGWTFBBQ!!!@!!11!1!!
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Originally Posted by alleycat58
THIS. I will not have a shop put wheels on and off my car. I put winters (or summers) on my car, take whatever wheels and tires need worked on, and have them returned mounted and balanced and then I'll put them on. If I have to take it in for service and the wheels are removed and replaced, first think I usually do is re-torque them. 90% of the time the car comes back with the lugs torqued to OMGWTFBBQ!!!@!!11!1!!
well i have the shop do all the balancing and changing tires but i take them just the rims. 3/4 times i went they cross threaded atleast 3 lugs, not just the fact they over torqued them, some werent even the whole way tight to the wheel
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Lets clear this up:

If your car is made by GM, your lug torque is going to be 100Ft/lbs... I cannot think of a single GM vehicle that doesn't use this spec.

Anyways, get a torque wrench. It doesn't have to be fancy... hell... I get by pretty damn well with a 20 dollar walmart special 1/2 drive wrench.
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