Removing swirls and other scratches
04-21-2009, 12:27 PM
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05-02-2009, 08:25 PM
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ok I just got a chance to watch that vid, really good stuff. My question is, am I gonna have to do that every time I wash my car? Cause damn thats a process....how do I prevent swirls from happening again?
05-02-2009, 09:33 PM
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At one time or another we all have been victims of those swirl marks, swirl marks are creatures that will target our beloved paint surface, however on their defense they dont discriminate you. All they do is prefer black paint.
Getting rid of them is time consuming and takes hard work, with the correct tools, products and procedures you can indeed remove them. In some extreme cases, extreme effort and procedures are needed.
The most frequent ones that will create swirl marks, BUT not limited
1- Automatic Car washes
2- Wrong type of Microfiber towel
3- Wrong type of wax
4- Wrong type of pads
5- Wrong type of machine
6- Harsh polishing compounds
7- Not keeping your wash mitt or sponge properly rinsed.
8- Wiping down a dusty or dirty car with a dry towel.
9- Towels and applicators containing polyester threads.
10- A dirty chamois or a chamois that has not been properly maintained
11- Using a car cover when the car or the cover is not clean.
12-Wrong type of shampoo
New automotive paint finishes are harder and far more durable than the paint finishes of just a few years ago. As a result, new cars look good much longer and resist road damage. The bad news is that the hard paint makes repairs more difficult. Even fine swirl marks can be a challenge to remove.
I hope this helps
Getting rid of them is time consuming and takes hard work, with the correct tools, products and procedures you can indeed remove them. In some extreme cases, extreme effort and procedures are needed.
The most frequent ones that will create swirl marks, BUT not limited
1- Automatic Car washes
2- Wrong type of Microfiber towel
3- Wrong type of wax
4- Wrong type of pads
5- Wrong type of machine
6- Harsh polishing compounds
7- Not keeping your wash mitt or sponge properly rinsed.
8- Wiping down a dusty or dirty car with a dry towel.
9- Towels and applicators containing polyester threads.
10- A dirty chamois or a chamois that has not been properly maintained
11- Using a car cover when the car or the cover is not clean.
12-Wrong type of shampoo
New automotive paint finishes are harder and far more durable than the paint finishes of just a few years ago. As a result, new cars look good much longer and resist road damage. The bad news is that the hard paint makes repairs more difficult. Even fine swirl marks can be a challenge to remove.
I hope this helps
05-02-2009, 11:19 PM
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Microfibers are tiny fibers that have been slit into millions of finer fibers
that are no thicker than one hundredth of a human hair.
The special slitting process produces an ultra-fine fiber with wedge shape filaments and a core of nylon. The wedge shape, the nylon core, and the smaller size fiber are the key to their effectiveness. When these tiny fibers are woven together into a cloth through a unique weaving method, the result is a powerful cleaning tool. Each cloth consists of tens of thousands of tiny storage compartments that lift the dirt up, trap the waste and leave a clean streak-free surface. Thy nylon core within the microfiber form tiny cutting edges that break up surface dirt and easily absorb and remove oils and other grimy substances. The only solvent you need is water!
One of the most important developments in recent years has been the technology to extrude extremely fine filaments (less than 1.0 denier) while maintaining all of the strength, uniformity and processing characteristics expected by textile manufacturers and consumers. These microfibers are even finer than luxury natural fibers, such as silk . This comparison, coupled with their exceptional performance, has led some in the industry to refer to microfibers as supernatural. They live up to that name.
In many product lines, it is the luxurious feel and look of the fabrics which makes microfibers so special. In others, it is this unique physical and mechanical performance.
Consider, for example, the advantages of polyester microfiber when used in outerwear. A raincoat or jacket made from 100% microfiber will be much lighter and more comfortable than one made from conventional fibers. Since the small filaments pack closely together, they provide a wind barrier to prevent loss of body heat and assuring comfort on chilly days. This close packing of fibers, together with polyesters' natural resistance to wetting also gives the fabric the ability to repel rain.The non-wetting surface of the fibers causes water to form beads (like rain on a newly-waxed car). These beads are much larger than the spaces between the yarns and water is effectively locked out. And this is done without the need for chemical treatments or coatings which can make the fabric heavier and less able to "breathe". Fabrics from microfibers, on the other hand, breathe well. Although the spaces between the yarns are too small to be penetrated by liquid water, they are ample for the passage of moisture vapor, leaving the wearer dry and comfortable.
This is only one example. Microfiber yarns are now available for most major generic fibers. They can bring their outstanding performance to a wide variety of end uses.
For quick cleaning, hand wash with any hand soap or dish washing liquid;
rinse well.
For thorough cleaning use the washing machine. Microfiber loves hot water --
the hotter the better. It makes the microfiber swell to release trapped
dirt. You can use regular laundry detergent such as Tide.
It's best to wash microfiber cloths separately from cotton towels.
Do not use LIQUID bleach or fabric softener.
Turbo Wax Micro fiber Wash Mitt vs Turbo Wax Micro fiber Wash/Polishing Mitt, what's the difference ?
Both mitts are 100% Microfiber but the weaves are quite different. The construction of the White Loop Wash Mitt allows it to cut through dirt and grime more easily. The finer fibers on the Wash/Polishing Mitt make it a good all around mitt. Both can be used for washing or polishing
Turbo Wax Super Flush is one of the BEST microfiber towels on the market today.
I hope this Helps
that are no thicker than one hundredth of a human hair.
The special slitting process produces an ultra-fine fiber with wedge shape filaments and a core of nylon. The wedge shape, the nylon core, and the smaller size fiber are the key to their effectiveness. When these tiny fibers are woven together into a cloth through a unique weaving method, the result is a powerful cleaning tool. Each cloth consists of tens of thousands of tiny storage compartments that lift the dirt up, trap the waste and leave a clean streak-free surface. Thy nylon core within the microfiber form tiny cutting edges that break up surface dirt and easily absorb and remove oils and other grimy substances. The only solvent you need is water!
One of the most important developments in recent years has been the technology to extrude extremely fine filaments (less than 1.0 denier) while maintaining all of the strength, uniformity and processing characteristics expected by textile manufacturers and consumers. These microfibers are even finer than luxury natural fibers, such as silk . This comparison, coupled with their exceptional performance, has led some in the industry to refer to microfibers as supernatural. They live up to that name.
In many product lines, it is the luxurious feel and look of the fabrics which makes microfibers so special. In others, it is this unique physical and mechanical performance.
Consider, for example, the advantages of polyester microfiber when used in outerwear. A raincoat or jacket made from 100% microfiber will be much lighter and more comfortable than one made from conventional fibers. Since the small filaments pack closely together, they provide a wind barrier to prevent loss of body heat and assuring comfort on chilly days. This close packing of fibers, together with polyesters' natural resistance to wetting also gives the fabric the ability to repel rain.The non-wetting surface of the fibers causes water to form beads (like rain on a newly-waxed car). These beads are much larger than the spaces between the yarns and water is effectively locked out. And this is done without the need for chemical treatments or coatings which can make the fabric heavier and less able to "breathe". Fabrics from microfibers, on the other hand, breathe well. Although the spaces between the yarns are too small to be penetrated by liquid water, they are ample for the passage of moisture vapor, leaving the wearer dry and comfortable.
This is only one example. Microfiber yarns are now available for most major generic fibers. They can bring their outstanding performance to a wide variety of end uses.
For quick cleaning, hand wash with any hand soap or dish washing liquid;
rinse well.
For thorough cleaning use the washing machine. Microfiber loves hot water --
the hotter the better. It makes the microfiber swell to release trapped
dirt. You can use regular laundry detergent such as Tide.
It's best to wash microfiber cloths separately from cotton towels.
Do not use LIQUID bleach or fabric softener.
Turbo Wax Micro fiber Wash Mitt vs Turbo Wax Micro fiber Wash/Polishing Mitt, what's the difference ?
Both mitts are 100% Microfiber but the weaves are quite different. The construction of the White Loop Wash Mitt allows it to cut through dirt and grime more easily. The finer fibers on the Wash/Polishing Mitt make it a good all around mitt. Both can be used for washing or polishing
Turbo Wax Super Flush is one of the BEST microfiber towels on the market today.
I hope this Helps
05-03-2009, 12:07 AM
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damn tons of info! haha hopefully tomorrow I will have a full day to devote to washing my car, just gotta get started early so the sun isnt out and right over it haha, thanks again! Id take pics my camera is crummy and you wouldnt be able to tell the difference
05-13-2009, 09:07 AM
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So I tried it again....still looks bad haha. I cant get those swirls off or any scratches really! I watched the vid even took notes and followed it but still no luck...
05-14-2009, 08:35 AM
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Can I buy pads in stores or only online? and where exactly would I get them? is blue for wax ok? what color for pre wax? I actaully didnt do that step though
05-14-2009, 10:10 AM
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NEW Product - New Generation of Foam Pads-Center Ring Foam Pads
Permanently Mounted on Pad
7.5' Total Diameter
Velcro Back with Centering Ring
New innovative foam pad design that is safer and faster. The new design is a recessed back flexible ring permanently glued on the Velcro side so the backing plate is centered on the pad every time. You can center the plate one just one hand in seconds and the center ring prevents the backing plate from cutting threw the foam pad and making contact with the paint. Another benefit of the center ring is that when you have a true centered pad on the polisher the final finish is even and the technician will have less fatigue in their arms.
The face of the center ring pads will have a hexagon cut design which will allow for the chemicals to be distributed better while buffing and keep the heat down as well.
What separates us from the rest is that we dont just lay sheets of foam with Velcro and die cut them, we manufacture our foam pads with recessed backs to protect and eliminate any accidents a technician can do while buffing. Flat pads are great but if you have an exposed backing plate edge you can hit the paint and cause damage that will set you back.
New generation of buffing pads, hexagon squares that will help trap the polishes while buffing and reduce the heat buildup when the user is buffing. The hexagon pattern on the pads also helps distribute the polish more evenly giving you a better finish, special black ring on the back of the foam pads is to center the backing plate, provide protection from the backing plate making any contact on the paint,foam pads are made from the BEST materials . Made in U.S.A.
Ring provides instant one hand centering
Ring prevents backing plate cut threw
Ring system is fully washable.
Yellow Foam Pad- Use for Heavy duty Compound
Orange Foam Pad- Use for Light duty compound
White Foam Pad- Use for Polish
Green Foam Pad- Use for Compound/Polish
Black Foam Pad- Use for machine Glaze
Blue Foam Pad- Use for Polish/Sealant
Permanently Mounted on Pad
7.5' Total Diameter
Velcro Back with Centering Ring
New innovative foam pad design that is safer and faster. The new design is a recessed back flexible ring permanently glued on the Velcro side so the backing plate is centered on the pad every time. You can center the plate one just one hand in seconds and the center ring prevents the backing plate from cutting threw the foam pad and making contact with the paint. Another benefit of the center ring is that when you have a true centered pad on the polisher the final finish is even and the technician will have less fatigue in their arms.
The face of the center ring pads will have a hexagon cut design which will allow for the chemicals to be distributed better while buffing and keep the heat down as well.
What separates us from the rest is that we dont just lay sheets of foam with Velcro and die cut them, we manufacture our foam pads with recessed backs to protect and eliminate any accidents a technician can do while buffing. Flat pads are great but if you have an exposed backing plate edge you can hit the paint and cause damage that will set you back.
New generation of buffing pads, hexagon squares that will help trap the polishes while buffing and reduce the heat buildup when the user is buffing. The hexagon pattern on the pads also helps distribute the polish more evenly giving you a better finish, special black ring on the back of the foam pads is to center the backing plate, provide protection from the backing plate making any contact on the paint,foam pads are made from the BEST materials . Made in U.S.A.
Ring provides instant one hand centering
Ring prevents backing plate cut threw
Ring system is fully washable.
Yellow Foam Pad- Use for Heavy duty Compound
Orange Foam Pad- Use for Light duty compound
White Foam Pad- Use for Polish
Green Foam Pad- Use for Compound/Polish
Black Foam Pad- Use for machine Glaze
Blue Foam Pad- Use for Polish/Sealant
05-14-2009, 10:32 AM
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i really need to get some yellow pads....but i would say
orange - compoound or swirl remover
white- swirl remover or polish
grey- pre-wax cleaner
blue-wax/sealant
orange - compoound or swirl remover
white- swirl remover or polish
grey- pre-wax cleaner
blue-wax/sealant
05-15-2009, 09:07 PM
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hmm ok thanks guys. Ill have to order one of autogeek unless theres a better one out there, just the generic one right? Once I get it in and have time Ill try it out and let you guys know!
05-15-2009, 09:34 PM
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Hey, I have a sort of related question. I had some major issues with my paint a little over a year ago (white epoxy overspray on black car) and it's a long story, but I'm guessing my paint is pretty much shot. What I wanted to know is if it is normal for my hood to have at least 25-50 small chips in the paint? I mean even after I wash, polish, wax it still looks like the hood is covered in tiny white specs. I have not driven in particularly harsh environments (like gravel or sand) that I know of, but this is also the first new car I've owned and wondered if that was fairly normal for 2.5 years/25K miles of wear on the paint or if it could be related to all of the crappy detail work (in my opinion) that was done to my car to fix the overspray. Thanks and I will be using this thread for reference as soon as I can borrow my dad's random orbital polisher.
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Hey, I have a sort of related question. I had some major issues with my paint a little over a year ago (white epoxy overspray on black car) and it's a long story, but I'm guessing my paint is pretty much shot. What I wanted to know is if it is normal for my hood to have at least 25-50 small chips in the paint? I mean even after I wash, polish, wax it still looks like the hood is covered in tiny white specs. I have not driven in particularly harsh environments (like gravel or sand) that I know of, but this is also the first new car I've owned and wondered if that was fairly normal for 2.5 years/25K miles of wear on the paint or if it could be related to all of the crappy detail work (in my opinion) that was done to my car to fix the overspray. Thanks and I will be using this thread for reference as soon as I can borrow my dad's random orbital polisher.
Holy **** another G-rap boy... i got an 08' TC (black) and i'm having the same problem... clean and polish her and looks like little white rock chips/pits and it pisses me off so it's not just from the work you had done. where abouts in GR are you? we should meet up sometime cause theres not alot of SS guys here around town lol
05-16-2009, 01:14 PM
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Holy **** another G-rap boy... i got an 08' TC (black) and i'm having the same problem... clean and polish her and looks like little white rock chips/pits and it pisses me off so it's not just from the work you had done. where abouts in GR are you? we should meet up sometime cause theres not alot of SS guys here around town lol
I'm in SE GR, just near the border of downtown & Wyoming--Garfield Park area. Yea I don't see many SS's around either, but I have seen a pretty hot chick driving around in a red one. I got a buddy w/ an '07 Stang GT that would love to race you btw. He test drove the TC and loved it, but was able to get a great deal on the Mustang.
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Well I gotta get some work done on my front bumper (some ******* backed into me in the parking lot and didn't leave a note) and I'm gonna see what they quote me to do the hood as well. Because really, the rest of the car is pretty decent, it's just the hood and front bumper that have taken a beating.
I think they should start using a darker primer on black cars. Seriously I think that's the biggest problem that we're seeing. On a lighter car, the same chips would be pretty much invisible.
I'm in SE GR, just near the border of downtown & Wyoming--Garfield Park area. Yea I don't see many SS's around either, but I have seen a pretty hot chick driving around in a red one. I got a buddy w/ an '07 Stang GT that would love to race you btw. He test drove the TC and loved it, but was able to get a great deal on the Mustang.
I think they should start using a darker primer on black cars. Seriously I think that's the biggest problem that we're seeing. On a lighter car, the same chips would be pretty much invisible.
I'm in SE GR, just near the border of downtown & Wyoming--Garfield Park area. Yea I don't see many SS's around either, but I have seen a pretty hot chick driving around in a red one. I got a buddy w/ an '07 Stang GT that would love to race you btw. He test drove the TC and loved it, but was able to get a great deal on the Mustang.