the only thing with that was, not everybody had service i tried both of the guys i met up with at best buy but nothing. o and yeah i drove all the way to my house at 91st ave and peoria.

 

well I wont be on another run for quite some time the gf grounded me for the ticket so there goes that ... maybe I will just tag along and record video on the next run

 

Yeah thats very true, I was having big service problems.

 

Yeah the cell phone thing didn't work. Motorola's are probably the best 2-way radio out there. They cost a little, ok a bit more than the others, but are worth the money.

 

Lets just all get CB radios!

 

umm....no. Those are way more expesive. Unless you want to mount a stationary one in your car. You also have to get a lisence to use them. Plus the police use the same radio channels.

 

Ok, maybe not such a good idea after all.

 

My cobra's worked good theyt were like $50 when i got them but they only have the 14 channels and they are like 3 years old.

 

OniMirage what happened with the Ticket??? did you post and i missed it?

 

no post yet ... the story so far is that I went to payson and submitted a motion to try and get it reduced to a civil citation ... no word as of yet from them ... the thing that confused me as I talked with bulldog on my way back is that the officer and I had a bit of a disagreement on the speed i was going ... I said one thing and he said another ... while I was at the court house I noticed that it said he trapped my speed using a stop watch which I beleive it highly innacurate as there is a huge margine of error since a person has to be right on to determine speed. If I am looking at a criminal ticket I would want it to be more accurate than a human hand.

 

Don't forget he was sitting at a almost blind curve in the road or we would have seen him before he saw us

 

The officer was estimating your speed using a stop watch and two points on the road. Two sources of inaccuacy are present with this type of measuement. 1) the inaccuracy of the distance used (did the cop really mearsure this with a calibrated instrument?), and 2) the inaccuracy of the time measurement (calibrated?). Now here's where it gets fuzzy...

The cop needs to pick two points that he/she can see very clearly so as to know when to start and stop the clock. These to points won't be too far apart for visibility reasons. The problem is, with shorter distances, the percentage of error from the cops reaction time goes up as the distance goes down.

For example: Say your going 90mph (that's 132ft/second) and the cop picks two points in the road that are 132ft apart (easier math). He/she measures the time it takes your Cobalt to go from point A to point B and get 1.00seconds. He does the math and calculates 90mph. But his thumb is not calibrated, so he could introduce +/- .20 seconds of error (just guessing here) into the time measurement. Well, +/- .20 seconds of potential error for a 1.00 second measurment is +/- 20% error. So if the cop factored in this error he/she would have put you speed between 72 and 108 mph. That's a lot of error.

OK, now if the cop picked two points 396 ft apart and measured your time from point A to point B just like the example above, he should have read 3.00seconds on his stop watch (90mph). Assuming the same human error of
+/- .20 seconds, that amounts to only +/- 6.67% error. He would have estimated your speed between 84 and 96 mph. That;s alot closer, but still not very good.

Personally, I doubt that the cop used a distance anywhere near 396 ft if he's parked just off the roadway. That's a long distance to be seeing for an accurate masurement.

I think you get the idea here.

I have to go out and help the wife plant the garden now. I have more on this topic, but will post it later tonight if your interested.

Later...

 

He used a stopwatch.....LAME. I agree on the margin of error. That's stupid.

 

Not sure how to put in an active link, but check this one out:

http://travel.3dresearch.com/prep1.html

The errors in my previous post should have been factored twice. Once for the stop watch start and once for stopping the watch. So the cop could be WAY WAY off the mark.

I suggest you Google some of this stuff and educate yourself before going back to Payson for your court appearance.

- Have the cop show calibration records for his VASCAR system.
- What are the cops proficiency ratings with this equipment?
- What markers did the cop use and at what distance were they relative to the patrol car?

Blah, Blah, Blah...

Call the DPS office and ask for the officers schedule (pretend that you would like to meet with him/her at the office). Try to schedule your court appearance on his/her day off. They might not even show up.

Advise on Payson runs: Slow down to about 65mph on that 8 mile section around the Sycamore Creek area where the speed limit goes down to 55. This is where alll the cops hang out! They nab many people here who put the cruise on 73 because most of the trip is posted at 65.

My son got popped in this section doing 98 in his F-body LS1. Course the cop used a RADAR so he was hosed. I drive to Payson about every other week during the summer, and this Sycamore area is where most folks get pulled over.

Good luck!

 

Don't need a license for CB. Need one for FRS, GMRS, And oh yeah, HAM.

Edit, No license needed for FRS. And Police haven't used CB for years. There's a reason it's called Citizens Band.

 

I have a pair of Motorolas that has FRS and GMRS. These work really well as long as you wait 1/2 a second after pushing the "talk" button before speaking. We usually use FRS (legal), but have an alternate (GMRS) channel picked out to jump to if we get out of range. Portable CB's work great also, so you don't have to mount a fixed clunker to your dash or counsel.

 

So when is the next run??? Haven't heard anything? Maybe next month???

 

I'll probably have to wait a few weeks to catch up in school and get some extra cash set aside.

 

Cash??? All you need is Gas money...lol I'm in the process of tiling the house so I won't be ready for two weeks.

 

Buffer for potential tickets