Drivetrain Solutions Formal Introduction
good luck man.
10-03-2013, 08:11 PM
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Good luck finding a machine shop to alter oem automotive equipment. Specifically drivetrain parts.
Cost will not be cheap unless you ask them to run a decent number of sets though. So it still won't be cheap.
You will be reusing old hubs and rotors instead of brand new warrantied parts.
10-03-2013, 08:52 PM
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ABS will be maintained with regular swaps. If you would like to maintain ABS on a Drag Pack swap you will be limited to Lsj axles.
It's pretty simple yes. But just a few points.
Good luck finding a machine shop to alter oem automotive equipment. Specifically drivetrain parts.
Cost will not be cheap unless you ask them to run a decent number of sets though. So it still won't be cheap.
You will be reusing old hubs and rotors instead of brand new warrantied parts.
It's pretty simple yes. But just a few points.
Good luck finding a machine shop to alter oem automotive equipment. Specifically drivetrain parts.
Cost will not be cheap unless you ask them to run a decent number of sets though. So it still won't be cheap.
You will be reusing old hubs and rotors instead of brand new warrantied parts.
10-03-2013, 08:59 PM
#39
Every rotor that leaves R1 headed to us is inspected before hand and is inspected by us upon arrival, then once more before being shipped to the customer. Rotors will only be shipped to the customer after passing all three QC checkpoints. Warranties will be dealt with through DTS. If a customer has a problem there is no need for them to fret over it further. We will take care of it with R1 on your behalf.
10-03-2013, 09:27 PM
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Mmmm idk. Most machine shops will do whatever you want if you pay them. Not bashing you though, I'm sure your option isn't cheap either. Thats not the issue. The issue is warranty. Not jut the rotors but ALL the parts. How will this be expressed or implied? Also, most people that buy adapters know they are adversly spacers at the same time. This sounds a lot like fmsr's 3.0 ecotec idea ;-) theory sounds great, practice is a short adventure this cheap crowd won't indulge in.
10-03-2013, 09:40 PM
#41
^^^ I agree with Redi. . Not so long ago, I was helping ex soccer with his drag race knuckle project providing parts pieces and measurements. My time on that to assist was provided free. Now he is a vendor. Not sure how this will turn out, Do know its an interesting turn of events.
It is essential to mill pcd on hubs. It is possible to use a drill press, some people do so, but then wheel balance and broken studs from the drill press chuck or the pilot tools walking becomes an issue. A CNC mill is a robust expensive piece of equipment and skilled operators are well paid.
new wheel bearings can be had cheaply on line. Many are made off shore and thats no big deal, but quality is. These abs and non abs encapsulated wheel bearings are made from two primary parts and are pressed together in the assembly process. Sometimes the press is not correct.
If you play it safe and use OEM wheel bearings then the cost is sky high.
same applies to rotors. quality is the issue. Good luck Mark, its a funny world we live in
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It is essential to mill pcd on hubs. It is possible to use a drill press, some people do so, but then wheel balance and broken studs from the drill press chuck or the pilot tools walking becomes an issue. A CNC mill is a robust expensive piece of equipment and skilled operators are well paid.
new wheel bearings can be had cheaply on line. Many are made off shore and thats no big deal, but quality is. These abs and non abs encapsulated wheel bearings are made from two primary parts and are pressed together in the assembly process. Sometimes the press is not correct.
If you play it safe and use OEM wheel bearings then the cost is sky high.
same applies to rotors. quality is the issue. Good luck Mark, its a funny world we live in
/out.
10-03-2013, 09:45 PM
#43
We have many different options for our kits making them very affordable. Kits for those looking for a simple swap using E-Line oem rotors, all the way up to Cross Drilled and Cross Drilled & Slotted Premium rotors. Prices will be released with the group buy.
10-03-2013, 09:50 PM
#44
^^^ I agree with Redi. . Not so long ago, I was helping ex soccer with his drag race knuckle project providing parts pieces and measurements. My time on that to assist was provided free. Now he is a vendor. Not sure how this will turn out, Do know its an interesting turn of events.
It is essential to mill pcd on hubs. It is possible to use a drill press, some people do so, but then wheel balance and broken studs from the drill press chuck or the pilot tools walking becomes an issue. A CNC mill is a robust expensive piece of equipment and skilled operators are well paid.
new wheel bearings can be had cheaply on line. Many are made off shore and thats no big deal, but quality is. These abs and non abs encapsulated wheel bearings are made from two primary parts and are pressed together in the assembly process. Sometimes the press is not correct.
If you play it safe and use OEM wheel bearings then the cost is sky high.
same applies to rotors. quality is the issue. Good luck Mark, its a funny world we live in
/out.
It is essential to mill pcd on hubs. It is possible to use a drill press, some people do so, but then wheel balance and broken studs from the drill press chuck or the pilot tools walking becomes an issue. A CNC mill is a robust expensive piece of equipment and skilled operators are well paid.
new wheel bearings can be had cheaply on line. Many are made off shore and thats no big deal, but quality is. These abs and non abs encapsulated wheel bearings are made from two primary parts and are pressed together in the assembly process. Sometimes the press is not correct.
If you play it safe and use OEM wheel bearings then the cost is sky high.
same applies to rotors. quality is the issue. Good luck Mark, its a funny world we live in
/out.
10-04-2013, 03:17 AM
#48
With as much respect towards you as I have John, and you know I do, I don't know of any other way to put it. I'm not trying to take your business.
Me
"Powell thinks I've taken help from him and turned it in to a business. I haven't. What I'm selling is from my own work. He helped with, among many other things, my personal swap with helping me figure out the correct spacer for rotor run out. He's also, probably not now, making me a part out of his own free will. Also something I'm not selling. Other than that it's been talks about how to set up the suspension on my car, why the 4.45 f35 is a better choice vs the f40, spring rates, weight transfer and balance, etc all open discussions between the two of us. All of which have been helpful and much appreciated, but what I'm doing doesn't apply to all that.
I'm not selling full floating rotor setups, those are his.
I'm not selling rotated mounts, those are his.
I'm not selling time attack rear beams, those are his.
I'm not selling ucr's, those are his.
I'm not selling harness bars, those are his.
I'm not selling pcv control units, those are his.
I'm selling hub swaps with rotors, and eventually custom axles. Nothing more nothing less. They've been around a long time. Other people do it, just aren't vendors. Apparently it's okay when they do it but as soon as someone puts a kit together to market and sell it's the end of the world?"
Person
"well man its between you and him I think your an alright dude
and powell is ok also"
Me
"Yeah like I said the guy has worlds of knowledge. I'd be a complete idiot to try and undercut him.
Hell I wanted to help him out with everything he's done for me. Give him a place to sell his parts stateside."
Person
"I just don't think this type of stuff should be kept out of the public eye
'Xcompany' left a bad taste in his mouth on that"
Me
"You know how many people know about his floating rotor setup? Not a lot. Know how many would buy? A lot."
Person
"your right they would"
Me
"I don't think it should be kept private either. But I'm not going to have people think I have bad intentions or like to stab people in the back right off the bat."
Person
"I can dig that
i think things would be better if you would have discussed all of this before hand now im just guessing on this"
Me
"Well now at this point I doubt he even wants to read what I have to say lol."
Person
"in time maybe things will be better for th 2 of u"
Me
"Yeah I'm sure he'll come around.
He should know I'm the last guy that would try and turn my back towards him."
Person
"maybe he will see that in time"
Me
"Powell thinks I've taken help from him and turned it in to a business. I haven't. What I'm selling is from my own work. He helped with, among many other things, my personal swap with helping me figure out the correct spacer for rotor run out. He's also, probably not now, making me a part out of his own free will. Also something I'm not selling. Other than that it's been talks about how to set up the suspension on my car, why the 4.45 f35 is a better choice vs the f40, spring rates, weight transfer and balance, etc all open discussions between the two of us. All of which have been helpful and much appreciated, but what I'm doing doesn't apply to all that.
I'm not selling full floating rotor setups, those are his.
I'm not selling rotated mounts, those are his.
I'm not selling time attack rear beams, those are his.
I'm not selling ucr's, those are his.
I'm not selling harness bars, those are his.
I'm not selling pcv control units, those are his.
I'm selling hub swaps with rotors, and eventually custom axles. Nothing more nothing less. They've been around a long time. Other people do it, just aren't vendors. Apparently it's okay when they do it but as soon as someone puts a kit together to market and sell it's the end of the world?"
Person
"well man its between you and him I think your an alright dude
and powell is ok also"
Me
"Yeah like I said the guy has worlds of knowledge. I'd be a complete idiot to try and undercut him.
Hell I wanted to help him out with everything he's done for me. Give him a place to sell his parts stateside."
Person
"I just don't think this type of stuff should be kept out of the public eye
'Xcompany' left a bad taste in his mouth on that"
Me
"You know how many people know about his floating rotor setup? Not a lot. Know how many would buy? A lot."
Person
"your right they would"
Me
"I don't think it should be kept private either. But I'm not going to have people think I have bad intentions or like to stab people in the back right off the bat."
Person
"I can dig that
i think things would be better if you would have discussed all of this before hand now im just guessing on this"
Me
"Well now at this point I doubt he even wants to read what I have to say lol."
Person
"in time maybe things will be better for th 2 of u"
Me
"Yeah I'm sure he'll come around.
He should know I'm the last guy that would try and turn my back towards him."
Person
"maybe he will see that in time"
