So my last alignment the rear camber is in spec at -1° but with the stance coils and the xxx bar from powell when I hit a flat corner with a decent speed the back gets loose every time so I was wondering if changing the rear wheels to -1.5/-2° would change the angle just enough to put that outside wheel flat in those type of situations....


I'm not going for hellaflush or stance no no this is a function related camber adjustment.....


That and would 235 tires be to much for the stock wheels

 

Rear camber is non adjustable unless you have a special beam or shims.

 

Special beams or shims? Pictures maybe?

 

Just curious, you purchased stance coil overs for a functional ride? Stance coils are known to ride like ****, just go decently low.

 

You bought coilovers and a XXX Hardcore Powell rear sway bar, that bar was designed to cause rotation. Powell himself said it's more at home on the track than DD.

Just balance it with your feet. More skinny pedal keeps the tail down. Lifting mid turn or braking during turn causes rotation.

 

I've not let off or anything in these turns mind you its in the 35-45mph range and flatter than flat



Per the coilovers I've had no issues with the ride quality is actually just fine.... the bar isn't to much for DD at least not my daily commute and such.....

 

You mean except for rotating at city speeds. Try softening the rear shocks or firming up the fronts.

Stock the car understeers pretty bad, if you went straight from stock to the coils and XXX it's a night and day difference. I'm on Pedders and the regular Hardcore Powell bar now, but before that I had a TTR bar.

Adding a rear bar messes with the balance of the car. My first time out with the TTR bar almost put me off a shoulder because I was used to divebombing corners hard, sometimes braking halfway through the corner. I did that on a cloverleaf and slid onto the shoulder after I put the bar on.

Took a bit of messing around with how I approached corners to stick like it used to, had to adjust again when I got the Hardcore bar.

Adjusting the shock balance should fix the sliding issue.

What tires are you running? Also what corners are you taking at that speed to have the tail get loose?

 

I'm sure plenty of people have put 235 tires on the stock wheels but yes that is too wide a tire for the stock wheels.

Like others said, fix the problem by stiffening up the front or softening the rear.

 

It sure sounds like you are running out of suspension travel,and that causes a flat slide. Try adjusting the rear shock length so it's longer, and preload the heck out of the springs. Of course you could akwats go back to stock config struts and shocks with YYZ springs. You would go faster.

 

I hadn't thought about him running out of suspension travel since he mentioned the ride was fine. Certainly a possibility.

 

if it makes a difference they are the higher spring rate buy in stances, I think when I installed them I started from zero on the dampening adjusters and went the same number all the way around....


So if I lowered the back two a few clicks it could help? I mean it's not a major thing I mean it could be if I ever had the time to track or autox the car but work tries to kill me so that's most likely out for now...

The only foreseeable issue would be a run of tail of the Dragon eventully... all in all it could be the tires, some crappy nexxen n5000 switching to continental extreme contact dws here soon

 

No, adding a rear bar improves the balance, stability and control of the car. You just have poor driving habits attained by being a new driver.

Coils and a hardcore bar are equal to lowering springs and a xxx. You can mix and match but you might find your coils and xxx is more of an autocross setup(where you might want a bit of rotation as slow speeds).

Soften the coils to the max in the rear and stiffen the front a touch, might be a bit bouncy but won't kick out as much. otherwise just take the bar off and continue on stiffer settings.

 

Adding a rear bar changes the balance, stability and control of the car, improvement is in the hands of the driver. If I welded a completely ridged rear bar with zero flex and bolted it on it wouldn't be an improvement unless the goal was to slide the tail everywhere.

I'm not a new driver. Those driving habits were adapted after driving the car and realizing that I could take cloverleafs quicker by entering at a higher speed and braking to keep the nose from sliding out around the corner. After installing the rear bar I now enter at a lower speed but can accelerate much sooner and end up around freeway speeds shortly after exit.