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Old 05-28-2010, 07:23 AM
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Wow, this battle is still going on ?!? I love how some of the LNF guys say we are butthurt. When in all reality they are the ones that are butthurt, because the OP's video/comments actually got to them I'll say this one more time .... We all drive the same friggin car .... A Cobalt !! Instead of continuously arguing which version is better (LSJ or LNF) why not stick together ? This is a prime example why this site has gone to hell, and why I do more lurking/research than providing information.
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Originally Posted by mron0903
The thermal and volumetric efficiency of a turbo far surpasses the efficiency of a supercharger, it's fact.

Some ppl are just butt hurt, i'm sorry that $3k invested into a LSJ can barely beat a LNF with a $300-$500 tune. I wonder what has the better HP to $ ratio...
Where is the 3k in mods?

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$950 - Custom Tube Inc Exhaust (Group Buy)
$180 - Siemens 80# Fuel Injectors
$1.99/g - E85
Free - M62 w/ Ported outlet/Polished inlet
$100 - 2.6" Pulley MPS
$100 - HPTuners Custom Tune
$100 - Innovative Motorsports Wideband Sensor
$40 - K&N Drop In Filter
$220 - ZZP S3 Heat Exchanger
$100 - ZZP Dual Pass Endplate
$100 - GM Option B Kit

$1890

I should really start a new thread titled. "How to build a 300whp LSJ for less then 2k"...
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Hahn Exhaust - $580.00 + shipping
GM Stage 1 - $485.05 + shipping
That equals $1065.05 + shipping costs.

Thats fairly close if you ask me. Add and intake or charge piping and its even closer.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by SS4ME
People are starting to fry their turdos with some frequence. It'll get worse. In the end, you will pay more if you a fry turbo.
don't know what frequency you speak of, I have 19k on my car within six months and haven't had any mechanical problems. Plus, 17k of those miles have been with the Trifecta tune.

It's just fact, turbos are more efficient.
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Originally Posted by mron0903
don't know what frequency you speak of, I have 19k on my car within six months and haven't had any mechanical problems. Plus, 17k of those miles have been with the Trifecta tune.

It's just fact, turbos are more efficient.
That's not the argument here. Most people know that. The argument is why is the SS/TC not slaughting the SS/SC with a better power adder. Some of you guys are really pushing that tiny turbo and if you would have been paying better attention, people are starting post threads about failed turbos. It'll get much worse, mark my word.
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Holy angry LNF owners batman!
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Originally Posted by Staged07SS
Wow, this battle is still going on ?!? I love how some of the LNF guys say we are butthurt. When in all reality they are the ones that are butthurt, because the OP's video/comments actually got to them I'll say this one more time .... We all drive the same friggin car .... A Cobalt !! Instead of continuously arguing which version is better (LSJ or LNF) why not stick together ? This is a prime example why this site has gone to hell, and why I do more lurking/research than providing information.
I've been a member since 2006 with 14 posts so far. Exactly the reason I don't post much here This is a self destructing group

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Originally Posted by ralliartist
There are some real CLASSIC posts in this thread. LMFAO

And there are plenty of STOCK BLOWER LSJ's that can put a beat down on the custom tuned STOCK TURBO LNF's.
Any stock blower LSJs trapping 116-117 mph?
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Any stock blower LSJs trapping 116-117 mph?
i trapped 116 on stock blower




















































with a 60 shot. lol
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by stealthy1ss
Where is the 3k in mods?



vs.

Hahn Exhaust - $580.00 + shipping
GM Stage 1 - $485.05 + shipping
That equals $1065.05 + shipping costs.

Thats fairly close if you ask me. Add and intake or charge piping and its even closer.
yea but if you add the intake and charge pipes i bet the race would have out different. they probably would've been even the whole race.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by turbod ss
yea but if you add the intake and charge pipes i bet the race would have out different. they probably would've been even the whole race.
But it didn't though. This is a woulda-coulda-shoulda. Lets just accept the race like it is. They raced, the LNF lost, its not the end of the world.
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Originally Posted by Scythe_Snake
Holy angry LNF owners batman!
i'm not angry lol, I thinks it's funny LSJ owners have/try to prove themselves against the LNF..

they pit a highly moddified LSJ vs a slightly modded LNF and rave that it lost. Let us make it fair and put scythe_snake against the op and see who'll win highly modded vs highly modded
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there are some butt hurt people in here lol

Originally Posted by mron0903
The thermal and volumetric efficiency of a turbo far surpasses the efficiency of a supercharger, it's fact.

Some ppl are just butt hurt, i'm sorry that $3k invested into a LSJ can barely beat a LNF with a $300-$500 tune. I wonder what has the better HP to $ ratio...
you are a fan boi
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Originally Posted by mron0903
i'm not angry lol, I thinks it's funny LSJ owners have/try to prove themselves against the LNF..

they pit a highly moddified LSJ vs a slightly modded LNF and rave that it lost. Let us make it fair and put scythe_snake against the op and see who'll win highly modded vs highly modded
Well to be fair, when the LNF came on the scene, many of them had a superiority complex. Its not so much the LSJs proving themselves, as them making a statement and saying "Hey we can hang too." which they can very well. The LSJ is proven and it runs really well, ya know.

And I'm no one special, I love the LNF and LSJ equally. I don't want to race my brothers/sisters/cousins/whatever the Ion is the cobalt
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^^ur **** is slow. see you in chicago
I have to bring your mom home, she won't leave me alone
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^^ur **** is slow. see you in chicago

I'll castrate you with a wooden spoon, ****!!
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Originally Posted by mron0903
i'm not angry lol, I thinks it's funny LSJ owners have/try to prove themselves against the LNF..

they pit a highly moddified LSJ vs a slightly modded LNF and rave that it lost. Let us make it fair and put scythe_snake against the op and see who'll win highly modded vs highly modded
We arent trying to prove anything .... We are trying to show that the LSJ is still a great platform, and has lots of potential. That is all
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I hope you know....i'm a ninja
I noticed that and didn't have time to ninja edit my post!

Don't lie, you're coming here to pick up your girlfriend/wife and sister because they just can't get enough.

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Originally Posted by Scythe_Snake
But it didn't though. This is a woulda-coulda-shoulda. Lets just accept the race like it is. They raced, the LNF lost, its not the end of the world.
o no i hear you totally. i dont give a crap lol.
im just saying what that guy was trying to say about the parts and money wise.
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Originally Posted by Scythe_Snake
... I don't want to race my brothers/sisters/cousins/whatever the Ion is the cobalt
Isn't that like like in Arkansas or Kentucky where family members mess around with each other

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Originally Posted by turbod ss
o no i hear you totally. i dont give a crap lol.
im just saying what that guy was trying to say about the parts and money wise.
Ah okay, I getcha.

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We arent trying to prove anything .... We are trying to show that the LSJ is still a great platform, and has lots of potential. That is all
Hey I already beat you to the punch with saying that!

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Isn't that like like in Arkansas or Kentucky where family members mess around with each other

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Originally Posted by Scythe_Snake
Ah okay, I getcha.



Hey I already beat you to the punch with saying that!



I'm trying not to be incestuous I promise!
Damn .... well sometimes things like that need to be repeated so they will sink in peoples heads, haha.
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I never said the LSJ wasn't a great platform, in fact I absolutely believe it is! I just think the OPs statement of LSJ>LNF is ignorant. They are both great platforms. I almost bought a SC a couple years back actually.

Either way, LNF or LSJ are still seen as underdogs to others which I love lol..
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Originally Posted by mron0903
I never said the LSJ wasn't a great platform, in fact I absolutely believe it is! I just think the OPs statement of LSJ>LNF is ignorant. They are both great platforms. I almost bought a SC a couple years back actually.

Either way, LNF or LSJ are still seen as underdogs to others which I love lol..
Oh yeah I know, I was just explaining the mentality behind it ya know.
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And why am I a "fan boi"? plz enlighten me..
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