well this summer i will hit the track to see what my auto will do, but before then i will have a dyno to see what my whp numbers are on a mustang dyno, hopefully next month ill do that

 

the kid with the cobalt ss at school wil not race me i really wanted to see the outcome.
oh well ill still pick on the 3.8l camaro
edit: wait. mike u had a v6 camaro running 15.3??? i constaintly beat the camaro

 

Well, it's a drivers race with a manual 99-04 V6 Mustang and either an auto or manual 3.8 Camaro, with a slight advantage to the Camaro if its a Y87.

Y87 Camaro's add 3.42 gears and LSD and maybe something else, but the gears and LSD are the big thing.

 

slight advantage to the camaro then u add the drivers... ill kill him everytime, maybe if someone else was driving it it would be different.

 

Maybe I'm just tired, but I have no idea what that meant.

 

If I was in Florida I would race yall, I was gonna race one here in SA but, my mom was with me lol

 

Did anyone see the latest issue of Car & Driver magazine? They finally tested a 2.4L SS sedan. I thik they got 7.1 sec to 60MPH, a 15.6 1/4 mile @ 90MPH, and .83g latteral acceleration (~64MPH slalom) if I am not mistaken. They thought it performed and handled well. They complained about the interior as usual, claiming it was substandard. They screwed up and said it had 18" wheels too. I liked that!

Looks like they should have got it going a bit faster, then again the sedan is probably heavier than the coupe. MikeSS got a hair over 15 seconds, so the car is certainly capable. Maybe the one in the test was not broken in, or it had already had the sh%t bagged out of it!

I'm really getting tired of waiting for my yet to be built SS/SC! The 2.4L seems like a viable alternative if my patience dwindles!

 

Yeah I read that too. The 0-60 seems right on but the 1/4 mile should be a little faster.

Still it performed very well (wtf was up with the Civic Si times? lol it was slower!) but got heavily criticized just because it doesn't have a freakish, spaceship ugly interio, ala Civic

 

the 2.4 rocks

 

car and driver 1/4 mile times always seem a little high to me.

 

The interior gets critized because it's made of cheap material and the car has issues with creeking and groaning due to this, ugly or not is subjective, build quality is not. I personally thought the interior of the cobalts looked very nice, but the noise does get annoying after awhile.

 

Seems all to be opinion to me. I love my interior--and have no noises, swaeaks rattles or otherwise. I don't know where cheap comes from

As for C&D being slow....check out Road and Track. They cannot get a Z06 in the 11's!!!
M/T, C&D and GM have no problems doing that.

Looking back to the very first C&D road test--the Solstice ran 15.7--but last month rana 15.3.
So the 2.4L SS should fare a similar fate.

 

i like the interior myself i think its out together well

 

I like the interior also especially the SS badge on the corner!!!

 

Liking the interior is one thing, it being made of cheap materials is another, I think the interior is pretty well done for what it is, but it did exhibit rattles and whatnot when I drove one (a brand new one off the lot), it wasn't excessive by any means, certainly no more then you experience in an SX2.0 or an SRT (SRT is worsened by the amount of cabin vibration), but it was definitally there off and on. But when I asked the salesman about it, I was informed that it pretty much is an issue in all the cars (along with the leather on the passenger side door being cut wrong) and that baring fixing it myself by insulating whatever was rattling there's nothing that could be done about it, which is a pretty shitty thing to say to someone looking to buy a car from you...but that's neither here nor there.

I'm not a person to take what magazines say as the absolute truth, but imo they do have some justification for the remarks regarding the interiors, this amongst other things is the reason that Hondas/Acuras generally get higher marks in reviews, they have to take more into account then how fast the car is, otherwise they might as well just post performance numbers and call it a day.
I drive a 2001 Prelude and of the few Cobalts / Neons / Cavaliers / Civics...etc that are around my neighbourhood I'd have to say I get reved at by Domestics far more then imports (and there's no shortage of either). I can barely get down the main stretch without someone reving and staring at me, I don't street race so they generally get pissed when I refuse to go. I've only seen one S/C Cobalt around town, and he just nodded at me, didn't rev and didn't take off like his ass was on fire. Don't hate the cars, hate the drivers.

 

It was Motor Trend who tested the Cobalt 2.4SS, not Car and Driver, and as for the 15.05, that was with my WAI, I hit a 15.22 without it. I think breaking the car in has a lot to do with it.


The Camaro Y87 did have the positraction and the the higher gears (only 3.23 with the manual) and it also had Z28 steerig, Z28 rear discs, and Z28 two tone body pieces. I also had a CAI on the car when I hit a 15.19, but stock it was 15.3ish.

 

is hitting a 15.5 with intake and exhaust doable in the auto 2.4 coupe? maybe even faster? see my mods below.

 

With those mods---I would think so but not faster. In my view the auto is at a big disadvatage in a NA 4cly car.

 

it is a disadvantage but its not so bad with this car since we have a ton of torque, when you get into auto imports like the celica which has only like 130 tq then its way too slow but this car is peppy, plus when the turbo come i get to hold boost between shifts where as the 5 speed will lose boost between shifts so at least i get to have that advantage

 

like I said before GM master technicians said autos hold up to torque better than standards

 

excuse me for being naive but what is a WAI...I've asked 3 people so far and they don't have a clue either

 

I'm pretty sure it's a play on COLD Air Intake (CAI) that means WARM Air Intake (WAI)... but I could be wrong.

 

then i have an hai lol

 

You are correct sir

 

put down a 70's era mustang to the kill list I killed one today and I had to play catch up when we started to go at it he was a car length in front of me and I caught up to me and passed him up