2009 ss/tc infiniboost vs 6.1 srt8
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Its true all right, but not til the 2012 model year, and then we dont know how much power, could be in the 475 range, could be over 500, they are keeping it pretty close to the vest.
Now, about these gears, I'll do some checking, but I think there is some misinformation here. As I know it now, and I'll verify tommorow.
1. No Charger, 300C, nor Magnum SRT-8 ever came with any gearing besides the 3.06
2. The 09 Challenger can be had with the following gears...
Now, these gears can be retrofit into any Charger/LX/Magnum, but its not too common.
3. More about the gears. There are two different transmissions in play, the six speed manual, which is ONLY found in the Challenger, and the five speed autostick, which is found in the Challenger and the others. Thats wht the different gears, the six speed can have a stupid ratio to deal with that. And thats also why the 3.06 isnt as bad as folks paint it. With five gears, first is actually low enough to act right, more like a 3.23 would have acted in an old three speed muscle car.
Who will win? No telling til the race is run. Number are nice, but they dont tell the story about who knows their car better, or who lets adrenaline freak them out. On any given day, any one can win, and anyone can lose, no matter the machine.
Now, about these gears, I'll do some checking, but I think there is some misinformation here. As I know it now, and I'll verify tommorow.
1. No Charger, 300C, nor Magnum SRT-8 ever came with any gearing besides the 3.06
2. The 09 Challenger can be had with the following gears...
Gotcha.
My understanding is the Auto's have the 3.06 gear ratio.
The 6 speeds with 18" wheels have the 3.73 gears, and the 6 speeds with the 20" wheels have then 3.92 gear ratio.
My understanding is the Auto's have the 3.06 gear ratio.
The 6 speeds with 18" wheels have the 3.73 gears, and the 6 speeds with the 20" wheels have then 3.92 gear ratio.
3. More about the gears. There are two different transmissions in play, the six speed manual, which is ONLY found in the Challenger, and the five speed autostick, which is found in the Challenger and the others. Thats wht the different gears, the six speed can have a stupid ratio to deal with that. And thats also why the 3.06 isnt as bad as folks paint it. With five gears, first is actually low enough to act right, more like a 3.23 would have acted in an old three speed muscle car.
Who will win? No telling til the race is run. Number are nice, but they dont tell the story about who knows their car better, or who lets adrenaline freak them out. On any given day, any one can win, and anyone can lose, no matter the machine.
For those arguing about trap speeds, ever wonder why? I'm thinking rolling resistance... Think how much more resistance a sticky DR has at 18 psi as opposed to a low profile street tire at 35! Want to do an easy test to put it in real terms for you? Take a wheelbarrow, and fill it up. Push it once with the tires filled up properly, how easy it is to push? Now deflated the tires to half that and try again..... Or shoot, just put your car in neutral and do the same test, once at 35 psi and another at 18. Its the same reason cars get so much worse gas mileage when tires are low!
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The SRT drivers shouldnt worry about the wee little cobalts, but rather the new 302 mustang. What takes chrysler and chevrolet 6.1+ liters to produce 425+hp, Ford has managed with 5.0. Welcome to yestertech SRT fans
That said, as long as the cobalt gets traction, a stock SRT will get walked in the big end. Thats a big if though. The cobalt is a high 12 at over 112 with a healthy tune. If the SRT is tuned all bets are off
That said, as long as the cobalt gets traction, a stock SRT will get walked in the big end. Thats a big if though. The cobalt is a high 12 at over 112 with a healthy tune. If the SRT is tuned all bets are off
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And it needed variable valve timing, stock tubular manifolds, free flowing intake and exhaust to do it.
Mustang fanbois are going to be pretty depressed when they make 360whp stock, and then make 370whp after they blow $4,000 on intake/headers/cams/exhaust/tune.
Where as the bigger displacement motors are corked up out of the box. Cam only LS3's make 480-500whp vs about 375whp stock.
Mustang fanbois are going to be pretty depressed when they make 360whp stock, and then make 370whp after they blow $4,000 on intake/headers/cams/exhaust/tune.
Where as the bigger displacement motors are corked up out of the box. Cam only LS3's make 480-500whp vs about 375whp stock.
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And it needed variable valve timing, stock tubular manifolds, free flowing intake and exhaust to do it.
Mustang fanbois are going to be pretty depressed when they make 360whp stock, and then make 370whp after they blow $4,000 on intake/headers/cams/exhaust/tune.
Where as the bigger displacement motors are corked up out of the box. Cam only LS3's make 480-500whp vs about 375whp stock.
Mustang fanbois are going to be pretty depressed when they make 360whp stock, and then make 370whp after they blow $4,000 on intake/headers/cams/exhaust/tune.
Where as the bigger displacement motors are corked up out of the box. Cam only LS3's make 480-500whp vs about 375whp stock.
x2 about the mustang. unless f/i is involved. its not going to get much faster
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And it needed variable valve timing, stock tubular manifolds, free flowing intake and exhaust to do it.
Mustang fanbois are going to be pretty depressed when they make 360whp stock, and then make 370whp after they blow $4,000 on intake/headers/cams/exhaust/tune.
Where as the bigger displacement motors are corked up out of the box. Cam only LS3's make 480-500whp vs about 375whp stock.
Mustang fanbois are going to be pretty depressed when they make 360whp stock, and then make 370whp after they blow $4,000 on intake/headers/cams/exhaust/tune.
Where as the bigger displacement motors are corked up out of the box. Cam only LS3's make 480-500whp vs about 375whp stock.
First, your not spending 4 grand on boltons. You spend 4 grand on heads or forced induction.
and secondly LS3's see about 420whp with a cam headers and tune. But babble on with the yesterdays LS tech
Seeing as the mod motors had no trouble reaching LS9 type numbers with forced induction, Theres a snowballs chance in hell that stang fans will be upset.
Lets not forget how big the mustang aftermarket is...
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now THAT is the dumbest thing ive seen you post, and believe me, youve posted some really dumb stuff.
First, your not spending 4 grand on boltons. You spend 4 grand on heads or forced induction.
and secondly LS3's see about 420whp with a cam headers and tune. But babble on with the yesterdays LS tech
Seeing as the mod motors had no trouble reaching LS9 type numbers with forced induction, Theres a snowballs chance in hell that stang fans will be upset.
Lets not forget how big the mustang aftermarket is...
First, your not spending 4 grand on boltons. You spend 4 grand on heads or forced induction.
and secondly LS3's see about 420whp with a cam headers and tune. But babble on with the yesterdays LS tech
Seeing as the mod motors had no trouble reaching LS9 type numbers with forced induction, Theres a snowballs chance in hell that stang fans will be upset.
Lets not forget how big the mustang aftermarket is...
The LS2 with LS3 heads will do 500whp with 20 less cubes!
And yes, you will have Mustang owners spend $4,000+ on bolt ons and cams to make MINIMAL gains. Quote me!
Cams - $1200
Headers - $1000
Exhaust - $800
Intake - $300
Tune - $400
That's what **** costs these days and if you don't believe me you're in denial. That's only parts too, nevermind labor with all the 45 yr old yuppies who can't install **** for themselves will get RAPED for. I can see the for sale threads now.
"Over $15,000 invested in mods, made 395whp"
It boils down to displacement, and bigger displacement motors can ALWAYS make more power.
And LMFAO at "Yestertech" Ford hasn't done ANYTHING new. In 1989 Ford had Yamaha build a v6 that came with most of the **** in the new 5.0. If by yestertech you mean variable valve timing and maxing your motor out from the factory then sure all that was brand new in the late 80's. GM has a habit of corking their motors up and running a tiny cam vs the displacement.
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now THAT is the dumbest thing ive seen you post, and believe me, youve posted some really dumb stuff.
First, your not spending 4 grand on boltons. You spend 4 grand on heads or forced induction.
and secondly LS3's see about 420whp with a cam headers and tune. But babble on with the yesterdays LS tech
Seeing as the mod motors had no trouble reaching LS9 type numbers with forced induction, Theres a snowballs chance in hell that stang fans will be upset.
Lets not forget how big the mustang aftermarket is...
First, your not spending 4 grand on boltons. You spend 4 grand on heads or forced induction.
and secondly LS3's see about 420whp with a cam headers and tune. But babble on with the yesterdays LS tech
Seeing as the mod motors had no trouble reaching LS9 type numbers with forced induction, Theres a snowballs chance in hell that stang fans will be upset.
Lets not forget how big the mustang aftermarket is...
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The only way to make decent power with lower displacement is BOOST. I will concede that the motor is going to take well to BOOST but bolt ons/heads/cams and all that BS is gonna net next to nothing!
This is why I cant wait to see full bolt ons, heads, and cammed 5.0's in my GTO with headers. I'm gonna smoke the **** out of them...
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now THAT is the dumbest thing ive seen you post, and believe me, youve posted some really dumb stuff.
First, your not spending 4 grand on boltons. You spend 4 grand on heads or forced induction.
and secondly LS3's see about 420whp with a cam headers and tune. But babble on with the yesterdays LS tech
Seeing as the mod motors had no trouble reaching LS9 type numbers with forced induction, Theres a snowballs chance in hell that stang fans will be upset.
Lets not forget how big the mustang aftermarket is...
First, your not spending 4 grand on boltons. You spend 4 grand on heads or forced induction.
and secondly LS3's see about 420whp with a cam headers and tune. But babble on with the yesterdays LS tech
Seeing as the mod motors had no trouble reaching LS9 type numbers with forced induction, Theres a snowballs chance in hell that stang fans will be upset.
Lets not forget how big the mustang aftermarket is...
dont argue just for the sake of it. if you want to prove him wrong. you should atleast know your own ****
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/dynamo...-000-mods.html
i would take the mustang regardless
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I've driven a Magnum SRT-8 (not quite the same as the 300 but close enough) and yah it's got alot of ***** but it really is a heavy, heavy car. From the dig RWD > FWD but from a roll I think you will take him by a couple cars.
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425 + ~20 = ~445HP (w/ Intake Exhaust) @ 4210lbs = 9.5lbs/hp
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~325WHP = ~365HP (I'm assuming your at about that power with your tune and converting to crank HP with a general rule of thumb of 13% drivetrain loss for a FWD) @ 2900lbs = 7.9lbs/hp
I know lbs/hp isn't the end-all-be-all but it is a good measure especially from a roll. So comparing his 9.5lbs/hp to your 7.9lbs/hp you should have an edge.
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425 + ~20 = ~445HP (w/ Intake Exhaust) @ 4210lbs = 9.5lbs/hp
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~325WHP = ~365HP (I'm assuming your at about that power with your tune and converting to crank HP with a general rule of thumb of 13% drivetrain loss for a FWD) @ 2900lbs = 7.9lbs/hp
I know lbs/hp isn't the end-all-be-all but it is a good measure especially from a roll. So comparing his 9.5lbs/hp to your 7.9lbs/hp you should have an edge.
i think your numbers might be a little off man, but dont quote me. the only reason i say this is cause i've seen an SRT run 365 on the dyno with an intake. had the stock exhaust but im not sure if that matters that much.
a blower for an LSx is $6k, and thats for a black 1900, a polished 2300 is near $8k
and $4k in NA mods can make a beast... Heads/Cam/bolt ons and you're looking at a LOT of power. How much? that depends on the parts, particularly how wild the cam is. Youcan get a smog friendly cam and make 420whp with that setup, or get agressive with it all and make 550whp
slow sho is completely right with the ford motor...its gonna be just like the VQ motors. Impressive power for their displacement, but thats because there are almost no restrictions from the factory, so all the bolt ons and basic mods wont do ****...and, also like the VQ, this means it will take to boost quite well...
in fact, im going to guess that this very free flowing design also suffers from the woes of a lack of low end torque just like the VQs
Right now you'd be spending about that much seeing how the car is BRAND new and the motor has next to nothing (relatively) in aftermarket. Ford didn't give much of any notice to this motor coming out, kind of like when the Challenger came out. Whereas people knew what motor the Camaro was using and for some time worked with GM to already have aftermarket as soon as it hit the street. I'm sure this is also what Slow SHO was getting at.
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not everything is as cheap as it is for cobalts...
a blower for an LSx is $6k, and thats for a black 1900, a polished 2300 is near $8k
and $4k in NA mods can make a beast... Heads/Cam/bolt ons and you're looking at a LOT of power. How much? that depends on the parts, particularly how wild the cam is. Youcan get a smog friendly cam and make 420whp with that setup, or get agressive with it all and make 550whp
slow sho is completely right with the ford motor...its gonna be just like the VQ motors. Impressive power for their displacement, but thats because there are almost no restrictions from the factory, so all the bolt ons and basic mods wont do ****...and, also like the VQ, this means it will take to boost quite well...
in fact, im going to guess that this very free flowing design also suffers from the woes of a lack of low end torque just like the VQs
already having an aftermarket for the camaro was due in large part to the fact that the LS motor family has the same architecture. Almost everything that fits on an LS1 will fit on an LS2, 3, 6, 7, and 9. There are a couple changes, and a couple things that will make some specific mods non-interchangeable with another LS motor, but for the most part, if it fits on one, it fits on the other
a blower for an LSx is $6k, and thats for a black 1900, a polished 2300 is near $8k
and $4k in NA mods can make a beast... Heads/Cam/bolt ons and you're looking at a LOT of power. How much? that depends on the parts, particularly how wild the cam is. Youcan get a smog friendly cam and make 420whp with that setup, or get agressive with it all and make 550whp
slow sho is completely right with the ford motor...its gonna be just like the VQ motors. Impressive power for their displacement, but thats because there are almost no restrictions from the factory, so all the bolt ons and basic mods wont do ****...and, also like the VQ, this means it will take to boost quite well...
in fact, im going to guess that this very free flowing design also suffers from the woes of a lack of low end torque just like the VQs
already having an aftermarket for the camaro was due in large part to the fact that the LS motor family has the same architecture. Almost everything that fits on an LS1 will fit on an LS2, 3, 6, 7, and 9. There are a couple changes, and a couple things that will make some specific mods non-interchangeable with another LS motor, but for the most part, if it fits on one, it fits on the other
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I'll be surprised if it's over 350whp.
Speaking of "YESTERTECH", did anyone notice how most of the gadgets that ford is using in the 5.0 are eerily similar to Honda's late 80's technology? Massive flowing heads, variable bullshit, garbage torque and garbage powerband. Hell, lighten up the mustang to 2500lbs and make it fwd, and you got a whole new level of Honda only with a FORD badge. SWEET!
patiently waiting for all the flamers to attack, lmfao!
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I got no problem quoting and giving props to a post that makes sense. Even if it was my worst enemy. Not that you are, hell, I can't even remember anything we've argued about. LMAO
I was going to say the same thing. Is there even a 2011 5.0 stang on the streets yet? As soon as lets say 10 get dynoed, why don't this guy show us the average whp?
I'll be surprised if it's over 350whp.
Speaking of "YESTERTECH", did anyone notice how most of the gadgets that ford is using in the 5.0 are eerily similar to Honda's late 80's technology? Massive flowing heads, variable bullshit, garbage torque and garbage powerband. Hell, lighten up the mustang to 2500lbs and make it fwd, and you got a whole new level of Honda only with a FORD badge. SWEET!
patiently waiting for all the flamers to attack, lmfao!
I was going to say the same thing. Is there even a 2011 5.0 stang on the streets yet? As soon as lets say 10 get dynoed, why don't this guy show us the average whp?
I'll be surprised if it's over 350whp.
Speaking of "YESTERTECH", did anyone notice how most of the gadgets that ford is using in the 5.0 are eerily similar to Honda's late 80's technology? Massive flowing heads, variable bullshit, garbage torque and garbage powerband. Hell, lighten up the mustang to 2500lbs and make it fwd, and you got a whole new level of Honda only with a FORD badge. SWEET!
patiently waiting for all the flamers to attack, lmfao!