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Old Aug 9, 2005 | 11:52 PM
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i never claimed the rsx-s was faster than the CSS stock to stock. it's impressive to know that thet a honda N/A motor is only .2 seconds slower than a F/I GM engine though.
Thats a bullshit comparison and you know it

When a manufacturer decides to build a new engine, they have a choice to make, which is like a fork in the road - either go for a naturally aspirated engine, or go with forced induction. One's not necessarily better than the other, they are just different setups.

The Cobalt's 2.0 S/C engine was designed from the beginning to be F/I. Meaning lower compression, oil-jet cooled pistons, forged internals, ect. The LSJ was designed and built around the prospect of having it be force fed by an Eaton M62. They didn't just take a de-stroked 2.2 and decide to throw a blower on it

On the other hand, the Acura RSX-S was designed from the start to be naturally aspirated. Its a relatively small, high-revving engine with a high compression ratio. Thats the design route Honda took, instead of going turbo.

As for the comparison between the two engines, I'd take the F/I Chevy any day. Why?? Because it actually makes power without having to be wrung out to redline in every gear. Because its got this thing called torque, which Honda cannot seem to grasp the concept of. Because its easier to mod a F/I 4-cylinder than a N/A one. Because its got a deeper, throatier exhaust note and the awesome sound of the Supercharger. Because there's enough low-end power to cruise on the highway without the enigne screaming in top gear. I can go on, but I think you get the point.

Still want to brag about "only" having a .2 second gap??
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by wesmanw02
Thats a bullshit comparison and you know it

When a manufacturer decides to build a new engine, they have a choice to make, which is like a fork in the road - either go for a naturally aspirated engine, or go with forced induction. One's not necessarily better than the other, they are just different setups.

The Cobalt's 2.0 S/C engine was designed from the beginning to be F/I. Meaning lower compression, oil-jet cooled pistons, forged internals, ect. The LSJ was designed and built around the prospect of having it be force fed by an Eaton M62. They didn't just take a de-stroked 2.2 and decide to throw a blower on it

On the other hand, the Acura RSX-S was designed from the start to be naturally aspirated. Its a relatively small, high-revving engine with a high compression ratio. Thats the design route Honda took, instead of going turbo.

As for the comparison between the two engines, I'd take the F/I Chevy any day. Why?? Because it actually makes power without having to be wrung out to redline in every gear. Because its got this thing called torque, which Honda cannot seem to grasp the concept of. Because its easier to mod a F/I 4-cylinder than a N/A one. Because its got a deeper, throatier exhaust note and the awesome sound of the Supercharger. Because there's enough low-end power to cruise on the highway without the enigne screaming in top gear. I can go on, but I think you get the point.

Still want to brag about "only" having a .2 second gap??
wow man, you must have that chevy bow tie tattooed on your forehead. you need to relax, i never meant to down on your almighty CSS. i can easily slap a turbo or S/C on my car and still last me for years. the compression ratio is not set where it will be too dangerous to force feed. it will be impossible for chevy to make a N/A 4cyl engine that will compete w/ a honda engine stock for stock. don't bash on honda just because they have low tq #'s. or maybe you bash on it cuz i can easily go either rought, N/A or F/I, w/ my engine and you can't. loosing up that bowtie of yours and relax.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 12:09 AM
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<ricer talk> Well just throw an S?C on an RSX and say good by!!! </ricer talk>

This comparison does get annoying...almost like people try to justify being slower...."sure my car is a bit slower but my interior looks better and you've got an S/C!!'.." They are both good cars and I like both a lot. The cars have a lot of potential, and should be good competition for each other.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by xonic
<ricer talk> Well just throw an S?C on an RSX and say good by!!! </ricer talk>

This comparison does get annoying...almost like people try to justify being slower...."sure my car is a bit slower but my interior looks better and you've got an S/C!!'.." They are both good cars and I like both a lot. The cars have a lot of potential, and should be good competition for each other.
where the hell did i say, "well just throw a S/C on an RSX and say good by!!!" on my post. i simply stated that i can go either route, not once did i mention that i will light up a CSS. and yes that is getting old for an excuse just like when an STi slaughters a CSS and cobalt owners say, "well the STi is AWD and costs $10,000 more, of course it's going to win." dude, don't get me confused w/ a fanboy cuz i can assure you that i'm not. never once have i bashed on a cobalt or said that "well if i slap on a turbo" bull ****. i like both cars as well.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 12:22 AM
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wow man, you must have that chevy bow tie tattooed on your forehead. you need to relax, i never meant to down on your almighty CSS. i can easily slap a turbo or S/C on my car and still last me for years. the compression ratio is not set where it will be too dangerous to force feed. it will be impossible for chevy to make a N/A 4cyl engine that will compete w/ a honda engine stock for stock. don't bash on honda just because they have low tq #'s. or maybe you bash on it cuz i can easily go either rought, N/A or F/I, w/ my engine and you can't. loosing up that bowtie of yours and relax.

Edit: I wasn't referring to you,,I was typing that message but you posted before me..


The same could be said for american v8's and honda... whats the point your trying to make. Honda makes good n/a 4 bangers but they're not unbeatable, they aren't in the same competition as GM....(N/A, Boost).
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DC52NV
wow man, you must have that chevy bow tie tattooed on your forehead. you need to relax, i never meant to down on your almighty CSS. i can easily slap a turbo or S/C on my car and still last me for years. the compression ratio is not set where it will be too dangerous to force feed. it will be impossible for chevy to make a N/A 4cyl engine that will compete w/ a honda engine stock for stock. don't bash on honda just because they have low tq #'s. or maybe you bash on it cuz i can easily go either rought, N/A or F/I, w/ my engine and you can't. loosing up that bowtie of yours and relax.
Hey man sorry if I came accross as attacking you, I was merely trying to prove my point You seem like a good guy, I'm just getting sick of hearing all the comparisions as if N/A is better than F/I just because they make similar numbers.

As I said before, its a matter of manufacturer preference, not a matter of one being better than the other. And personally I do like both the RSX-S and Cobalt SS S/C, I just happen to like the Cobalt better, which I guess you noticed in my last post . Thats not to discredit the RSX Type S though, which is still a great performing and very attractive car for the money.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by xonic
Edit: I wasn' referring to you,,I was typing that message but you posted before me..


Tha same could be said for american v8's and honda... whats the point your trying to make. Honda makes good n/a 4 bangers but they're not unbeatable, they aren't in the same competition as GM....(N/A, Boost).
all i was saying is that i can go either N/A or F/I. didn't mean anything bad about the cobalt.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by wesmanw02
Hey man sorry if I came accross as attacking you, I was merely trying to prove my point You seem like a good guy, I'm just getting sick of hearing all the comparisions as if N/A is better than F/I just because they make similar numbers.

As I said before, its a matter of manufacturer preference, not a matter of one being better than the other. And personally I do like both the RSX-S and Cobalt SS S/C, I just happen to like the Cobalt better, which I guess you noticed in my last post . Thats not to discredit the RSX Type S though, which is still a great performing and very attractive car for the money.
no problem man, no hard feelings.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 12:32 AM
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all i was saying is that i can go either N/A or F/I. didn't mean anything bad about the cobalt.
I really didn't care what you said about the cobalt,,I just thought you were trying to talk up honda....maybe I should take a break from crsx...the fanboys there are affecting me on other forums...
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by xonic
I really didn't care what you said about the cobalt,,I just thouht you were trying to talk up honda....maybe I should take a break from crsx...the fanboys there are affecting me on other forums...
haha, yeah there are alot of fanboys over there. that's why i mostly post in socalrsx.com isntead of crsx. alot friendlier community and no fanboy talk.
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Old Aug 10, 2005 | 08:49 PM
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Don't forget....our Type S's have the magical 3rd gear pull.

The clubrsx guys are quite comical really. If they get beat, they have a better interior or their air conditioner was on. If they win, the opponent had more mods than you could count. It's fun to go over there just for a smile once in a while.
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 02:28 PM
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hey just check out the road and track issue for this month or the last month they had a comparision test between the two cars and the SS stole it.HELL YEAH GM KICK JAPANESE ASS
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 02:33 PM
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 02:43 PM
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I test drove the type S, I really had my heart set on it at first. I wrote a previous post about this. Both cars are awesome. I really love the rsx, but the SS/SC "To me" was a better car.

No way would a type S pull a SC. Not enough power. Plain and simple.
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 06:28 PM
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OMG this post is still alive???
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 07:25 PM
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hey just check out the road and track issue for this month or the last month they had a comparision test between the two cars and the SS stole it.HELL YEAH GM KICK JAPANESE ASS
I guess to some people a win is a win.



FINAL STANDINGS TOTAL POINTS
1st 2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS 587.4

2nd 2005 Acura RSX Type-S 587.1
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 07:50 PM
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performance out of the box? Hands down the cobalt. Overall? the RSX-S. Having driven both the cobalt is much easier to drive, the torque and SC make it pretty mild to drive on the street, meaning you don't have to drive like a monkey on crack to get it to move. Looks are subjective, both have their pros and cons in that dept. Build quality? Have to give it to the acura. Relibility? as good as the ecotech is the K20 is a fantastic motor. Interior? it depends on your tastes as far as looks, but quality of interior again goes to the acura, but spaciousness goes to the cobalt(I felt like I was in economy on Singapore air in the rsx space wise). Being different? Cobalt gets this one. I see so many RSXs every day from the stock to the absurd, it's nauseating. Another high point I haven't seen mentioned is resale value. The RSX with hold value MUCH better.

It would be a tough call and come down to your priorties.

*edit* sorry, didn't notice this was the walking dead...
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 08:24 PM
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wow, look at the poll. looks like the rsx won this round.

just a joke so don't go taking it all serious.
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 09:21 PM
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wow, look at the poll. looks like the rsx won this round.

just a joke so don't go taking it all serious.
NOT
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 09:32 PM
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V-tak pwnz j0o!!!!
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 09:39 PM
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 02:03 AM
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yeah honda torq is embarising. A no thrills ecotec 2.2 has more torq than the s. and especially at such high rpm. chevy cobalt sssc is better...
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 10:33 PM
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well, the polls speak for themselves. i like the cobalt. but if i was going to choose a 2 door sports car that was brand new, definitely be a type s hands down, no questions asked. and that's coming from a dizzum owner.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 10:41 PM
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well, the polls speak for themselves. i like the cobalt. but if i was going to choose a 2 door sports car that was brand new, definitely be a type s hands down, no questions asked. and that's coming from a dizzum owner.
i wanted a type s so bad, but they arent worth the price tag put on them, the cobalt SS just comes with so much more for a cheaper price and its quicker
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 11:07 PM
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Okay.... not to rant too much... but wasn't this particular part of the forum reserved for actual wins/losses, not for hypothecical questions and paper races?

Just something that's been botherin at me for the past weeks, when I come in here to read about someone's race victory and instead find us all comparing HP/Torque of our competiton. Shees....
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