yes, if i remember correctly stock C5 were not putting any more power down the the f-bodies back when i had mine.........and they were not liking it!

i ran a low 13 stock. so get your driving down and you can probably **** him off pretty heavily.

 

They actually put down less power becuase of the trans they use and its location.

 

yea with tune and bolt on's you could def. take that c5 vette

 

The only way to find out would be to run them. But your figuring power to weight is not very good. You see yes our cars only make 260hp but it puts to the wheels 240-250 of it. The ws6 makes 335 but probably puts down 290-300 of it. A buddie of mines 06 mustang gt only put down 268 to the wheels and it has 300 at the crank.

240/2900=.083
290/3400=.085

Now if the ws6's driver weighs more it is down to a drivers race.

I beat a c5 vette pretty good and he had an intake and an exhaust.

 

Well just an update guys... kinda dissapointed well he pussed out and it's alright i guess cause on my way to my friends house b4 the race my charge piping poped off and i worked my ass of to get it fixed and then he calls my friend and says tomorow night and i'm leavin for ok. so next time we get a chance to race i'll be bolted up and tuned so i wanna stomp the **** outta him now cause he was bein real cocky last night

 

It seems people in the LNF crowd forget, or are just ignorant to this fact. Maybe its because theyre too cocky to think theyre almighty LNF couldnt beat the lowly LSJ. Or maybe its because most lnf owners are uneducated fanboi nut swingers.

Personally, I think its all of the above.


race him stock. I want to see the outcome.

Then rematch him with a tune and bet $$ on it

omg, u lnf guys are retarded. NO. The WS6 is not a ******* ford modular 4.6l engine. A mustang comparison is a ******* ricer comparison. The WS6 runs at least 310 whp, and has TONS MORE TORQUE! Did u forget about torque?

Hows that saying go? O thats right:

"horsepower sells cars, torque wins races."

Gosh damn u nutswingers need to get a clue.

 

yea i know an LNF can hang with a stg 2 lsj, i have done it.
im am not a cocky person at all. i know that any LS1 car will beat me cuz i am mainly stock. my buddys 04 gto can hand me my ass all day long. i will hang with him just a tiny bit, then he starts pulling away on me.
people tell me all the time that if i get a tune i could pull away on him.
thing is him being RWD he can launch better, giving him the upper hand...
usually.

 

omg, u lnf guys are retarded. NO. The WS6 is not a ******* ford modular 4.6l engine. A mustang comparison is a ******* ricer comparison. The WS6 runs at least 310 whp, and has TONS MORE TORQUE! Did u forget about torque?

Hows that saying go? O thats right:

"horsepower sells cars, torque wins races."

Gosh damn u nutswingers need to get a clue.[/QUOTE]

Here you go. This video the car has bolts and is only making 312 ft lbs of torque.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buXAb...eature=related

Stock dyno run 295, so **** Off dude.

 

Wow. Ur such a retard u cant even quote right!

So lemme get this straight, u find a video of a low ball dyno and try to tell me it makes less than 335 crank hp? Lemme tell u why ur wrong:

1) Every dyno is DIFFERENT and will yield different results
2) U cant compare crank hp to whp, dummy
3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_geTP4Ubr1g < heres a video of a stock WS6 dyno. Funny, he makes 323 whp and 324 wtq. Hmmmm. According to this dyno he should be around 340-350 crank hp! OMGBBQNEWBSAUCE!

O look, another vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK8ST...eature=related
And another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv8yY...eature=related ( lightly modded )
And another!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw63p...eature=related ( light mods again )

If u lived around here I would gladly put u in ur place. However, I will have to let someone else do it for me.

Ur cobalt is slow in the grand scheme of things. Remember, there are faster cars out there. The WS6 would mop the floor with ur cobalt stock for stock, and mod for mod. Dont be a cocky douche bag.

I wasnt referring to u in particular. Ur cool, and relaize there are faster cars out there, and the "stock tune only cobalt YO! " isnt the end all of every car.

 

my brothers 01 t/a put down 324whp/334wtq with a catback

my friends 02 firehawk put down 328whp/338wtq with just a catback

 

Yes. The C5 was faster then the LS1 f-body for some very simple reasons.

3200lb curb weight
Weight Distribution

IRS will also chew up a few extra hp

 

TC owners get dumber and more cocky by the day.

Futureecotectowner needs to stop putting this non-sense into their heads they can beat a stock LS anything from a roll with a stock economy car. About the worst trap of a LS motor is about what the fastest ever stock TC has trapped and that is the heaviest automatic convertible with Fat Albert in the drivers seat. Stop trying to sell everyone on your economy car is faster stock for stock then a muscle/sports/performance car.

OP, just look at the traps and you will see. 107 (avg trap) will beat out 103 (avg trap), plus their gearing is that much better up top!

Tyler

 

nice numbers on a basically stock vehicle. I wonder how many SS/TC's make those numbers with just a catback

 

All I did was type in ws6 dyno and those are the first two that came up. I am not trying to be cocky, I am just going from my experiance. I know I have beaten a c5 vette, 01 camaro ss(bolt ons no tune tho), and a full bolt on 5.7GTO. Now wheather they can drive or not, who knows, which is what the basic of my first post was trying to say is it is a drivers race, My buddies grandpa has an 08 Shelby GT 500, runs 12.60's and has 440 whp and I run 12.70's, its all up to the driver.

 

we put close to that down with just a tune

no i see what you mean and i totaly understand

its as simple as this...stock for stock and mod for mod a LSX will always overcome our 4 bangers..wanna know why? because they have extra 4 cylinders of power.

same goes with a srt-4 and a srt-8.

a tune vs a stock ls1 puts the LNF in the ball park. remember we are lighter. however..once the LS1 starts modding its game over.

 

with a tune and full bolt ons, u should be able to take those cars as u have a better power/weight ratio. This is fine.

HOWEVER, the stock TC doesnt have as good of a power to weight ratio AND its stock PCM tune is GARBAGE. A stock TC is mediocre at best when it comes to roll/highway racing.

eityher way the driver can make or break the car. A equal driver in any case, the WS6 wins hands down regardless of dig or roll. The best WS6's run high 12's in the 1/4mile stock. A TC needs mods to get those times. This is why I know an LS1 would kick the **** out of a stock tc.

 

Blah Blah Blah, I will put whatever non-sense I want onto this forum!!!

Seriously though, I understand what you're saying, but I have seen SS/TC's beat LS1 F-bodies from a roll. Now maybe the SS/TC was tuned, but I cant recall.

 

no, this is bad. Some people on here are dumb enough to believe it!

 

Check my edit on this post!!

 

Haha, I like how you are agreeing with me! Thank you!

Tuned totally makes sense and that I for sure can happen as we have all seen, just not stock they aren't in the same league. It would be like saying a RSX-S can take a TC from a roll stock for stock...

Tyler

 

O good god... It MUST HAVE BEEN TUNED. No question about it.

 

Ok... sorry guys i know i hate to bump this little argument but i guess before we race (he's assuming i'm gonna stay stock) he's gonna get a tune and he has no bolt on's or anything what will that do for him he got a little scared and idk why i haven't lost yet (in a town like this it's not hard lol) and neither has he. I don't really give a **** about losing if it's just for fun but he takes this to heart and want's to stomp the **** outta me now saying i have... jr side exhaust, catless dp, charge piping, intercooler, drop in, and a tune vs. his tune no bolt ons how would i do. oh btw he's being a dick about everything and i wanted to race stock vs stock to see what would happen but he "can't afford to lose to a cobalt" so now i wanna win and depend on what you guys think i'll put some money down so i can at least get a tank of gas outta it. Now... i know that turbo cars respond well to tunes and basic knowledge says that n/a don't respond as well but each car is diff. so with out all the fighting what would happen with the given mods?? (oh feel free to criticize my mod choices i haven't bought them yet so i wanna know if i'm making a mistake yes the tune's the last thing i'm doing)

 

A local shop near me tunes lsx vehicles and i've personally seen gains of 15-20whp on stock ls1 T/A's and Camaros.

With that being said and assuming your equal drivers...with you having the bolt-ons and tune vs a stock tuned ls1...

From a roll you'll win.

From a dig it's too close to call...





Kale to the finish line!

 

Slowstang,

Please tell mean you are talking about the TC is tuned and the TA is stock, because I would really hate to see another idiot on the "A TC can beat a stock LS1" bandwagon....

Let me put this in terms everyone can understand!

A STOCK TC CAN'T BEAT A STOCK LS1 ANYTHING, PERIOD; UNLESS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GAS MILEAGE.

Tyler

On another not slow, what have you got done to your 5.0? One of my good friends in college has a 89 5.0 5speed that ran 10.90's at 125. S-trim, GT40 heads/intake and a drag set up suspension. He said he would be in your area as far as time if he switched over to an stalled auto, but enjoyed the DD of the stick too much.

 

I forgot to mention once he gets full bolt-on's/tune against the tuned ls1. I went back and edited my post.

My stang is a stock shortblock 302, h/i/c, 175hp dry nitrous shot, and an AOD trans. The car was having traction problems on the 10.5 pass and once I get it sorted out i'm hoping for a high 10.30 at 129 or so. Your friends car would def be in the mid 10s with an auto swap and it would be much easier on parts. I like stick for street driving but if im racing down the track I like my auto