The LSD has little to no effect on a proper launch due to equal length half-shafts. I don't have a LSD and I lay two equally long black marks as long as my wheel is straight. The twisties are another story.

 

Ya... in case anybody was wondering what Brian has on his car... click the link below his signature... "Cardomain, Showoff of the Week." DAMN. Thats alot of work to go into a car. I want to do that, but money is restrictive. Especially with 3 grand already in debt. But, my goal by the end of this coming summer is to have all the upgrades GM will come out for the SS. Stage 1 and up. A new supercharger. I want to replace the stock one and get the Eaton M112. That will put some serious PSI into action. New suspension. Bigger brakes... hopefully Brembo will come out with some for the SS. HIDs are a must. Im buying a drop kit next week. 1/2 inch front, 1 1/2 inch in back to even it out. But to say all that. His MPspeed will undoubtably kick our SS's ass as it is. End of story.

Great lookin car too. Is the hood painted white, but still carbon fiber? But overall, awesome car!

 

The m62 is capable of helping the lsj make 300+ hp with higher compression pistons, 2.8" pulley, and some other modifications listed in the build book.

 

I see your point but 210whp is very common and thats what I based my Bhp calculations off ..I didnt use the high spectrum to drive the point home because a coupple FF's dont really tell you what the car is truly capable of


EDIT: it should be noted that most of the Dynos that put below 200 are mustang and the ones above 200 are dynojet ... not to say one is more acruate becasue they both have their advantages but dynojet is far more common ... thus it gives a more realistic number to compair to what other cars actually put down( though we all know dyno to dyno even of the same brand is not completly acurate but it gives a better idea)

 

this dude spent all this money and claims to have the highest hp in exhistance msp with a stock turbo and he only put down 220whp on a mustang dyno

Shortblock Specifications:
MAM Shortblock - 3650.00
- CP Pistons (8.5:1 CR)
- Oliver Rods
- Full Machine, debur, hone, etc.
- TOGA Bearings
- Crankwalk fix
- Oversize Thrust Bearing
- ARP Head Studs
- ARP Main Bolts

Engine:
Perrin FMIC w/HKS SSQV Flange – 1330.00
Injen CAI – 250.00
GHL 3" Turbo-Back Down Pipe - 691.55
JIC Magic SUS Catback - 550.00
Microtech LT8S Standalone w/MAP - 1100.00
440cc Injectors - 100.00
Optima Yellow Top Battery - 160.00
HKS SSQV – 170.00
AWR M/T Front Motor Mount – 71.00
AWR A/T Rear Motor Mount - 69.00
AWR Tranny Mount - 35.00
Copper NGK's (1 Step Colder) - 15.00

Engine Blingity Bling:
DG Motorsports CF Engine Cover - 190.00
DG Motorsports CF Oil Cap - 15.00
HoseTechniques Silver Hose Kit - 55.00
Greddy Catch Can - 90.00
1sty Grounding Kit - 100.00

Transmission:
SPEC Stage 3 Hybrid Clutch - 369.00
Corksport Stainless Clutch Line - 18.00
Shockproof Tranny Fluid - 20.00
B&M Short Shifter - 95.00
Kartboy Shift Bushings - 28.85

 

Don't mustang dyno's under-rate numbers?

 

Grow Up,

I was trying to end this Juvinile Bullshit but you all seem to be unable to just back off..

Reference the LSD... if your car had one, you would be happier so your statement of equal length driveshafts is weaksause...

Whatever you need to sleep at night...

 

Thanks for taking the time to look, Here is a thread on the SS board that is an open forum for modification discussion if you would like to keep this thread free of ThreadJacking...

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https://www.cobaltss.net/forums//showthread.php?t=8242

 

End it? If you didn't want juvinile bullshit, you wouldn't have brought your little buddies over here.

There's no doubt that I would prefer to have one but it wouldn't help me with a good launch and that's what you were referring to.

 

they're usually lower than dynojet numbers, but i was just laughing at the fact all i did was install a header and from my mustang dyno sheet, i'm about 4whp less than his

 

Free Will. I simply wanted to know it anyone over there remembered the race and wanted to Own Up to it...

Sure it would help... That's why it's an option for 2006... Denial is a Stinky Cologne

 

It's an option because spinning the inside wheel is lame. When you launch straight there is no inside wheel and both wheels obtain traction, or the lack thereof nearly equally. I already stated that I would prefer to have one and soon will because I didn't buy the car to drive in a straight line. My point was that a LSD isn't going to give a stock MSP a chance in hell anyway.

I'm done with this lame ass discussion now...back to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

Quafes are for out on the road track...

They do almost nothing for you at the strip.

 

It was a nice race.......but the gt25r's in these cars spool very fast, especially at higher boost levels

 

Agreed! However the Mustang is more representative of the truth. My point is, if your going to argue Dynojet numbers, than compare it to Dynojet numbers. I can't count the times I've seen Car X Mustang Dyno vs. Cobalt Dynojet numbers. Followed by "... and that’s why the Cobalt will walk Car X. The truth is, that dyno numbers mean nothing, unless both cars are done consecutively on the same dyno. Even then things are sketchy because some of the newer cars ecu's make them dyno funny when they aren't actually moving.

Bottom line, who care about the MSP! I'd be more concerned with the MS 6!

 

No ****! AWD will Own and 260 WHP...

 

260... not so much try more like 200-205. The car is very very very heavy too, so it won't be running with the STI's and EVO's. However, its very good looking, and will give the Legacy GT's a run for their money.

 

Dude, Research BEFORE POSTING...

Try again Mazda NOOB..

But Davis then saw the original market prototype and was smitten. He felt that the original, higher final-drive ratio, when mated to the 2.3-liter turbocharged engine's 274 hp and 280 pounds-feet of torque, was better suited for MazdaSpeed6 customers.

 

Thats at the crank, not at the wheels! You've got to account for all wheel drive train loss.

I think your the Noob!

 

70 Hp Loss to Drivetrain?

What have you been injecting tonight?

 

Thats not uncommon for AWD cars. The STI and EVO lose between 60-70 hp (between 25%-30%)depending on the dyno. Plus Mazda has a nasty habit of over estimating their cars HP, ala RX-8.

If you take the 25% loss from 274 = 205.5 at the wheels

If you take the 30% loss from 274 = 192.0 at the wheels

Bottom line! The MS 8 will not be competing with the EVO/STI, it will give them a decent race, but the car is way to heavy to be fast.

 

NEWS FLASH!!!! 70 WHP LOSSES TO AWD ARE COMMON ON CARS!!!

Is this like an "Ass Dyno" that you estimated it yourself.
I'm sure the Scooby Board could shed some light on you drivetrain loss estimate.
No hate here man, I just think your numbers are WHACKED OUT ON CRANK..

 

A stock STi will dyno at about 230-240 AWHP and torque.

 

Bro you sound like a fool, I drive an STI, I wish awd loss was less but its not! I must admit stock STI dyno numbers are hard to find, because most aren't stock. See below:

239 = 21%

read first post in the thread. 210 = 30%


When your done looking and you see I'm right, are you going to say your sorry?

MS Speed weighs 4552 pounds! way way way way to heavy!

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...ehicleCode=MS6

 

This thread is for pkskull, the fool who insists on using whp numbers.....
STOP USING GOD DAMN DYNO NUMBERS/WHEEL HORSE ESTIMATES TO COMPARE CARS!!!!!! ITS GETTING REALLY REALLY OLD!!!!!!!
Fact is brozif, you have no ******* clue how much horsepower a Mazda 6's AWD drivetrain eats up. Take the facts that you DO know and make an assumption from them. DO NOT make an assumption based on theoretical numbers that are 100% impossible to prove without some serious, hardcore math and physics calculations. You have absolutely NO IDEA of how much power is being sent to the wheels, unless you are a professor of physics and have done the calculations to figure out the numbers. But I dont think thats the case here.
You know the weight, and you know the hp/tq production. Without even knowing the gearing of the car you can probably come up with an idea of how fast its going to be from those numbers alone. Compare it to a car of similiar weight and power, and say "I think it should be close to car X because its around the same weight and HP/TQ, but will probably be a bit quicker off the line and a bit slower up top due to the AWD." Its really that easy.
Dyno numbers are getting throw around WAY too much around here, more than any other forum I've been on. Its quite sad. Even more sad is that its a Sooby guy im yelling at, not a Cobalt guy