can we find a 3 lane road?

 

Everything went back out to be wpc treated, waiting to get crank, pistons, rods back. Gonna be better than before, end thread jack. And Ryan meet is one week from today Ryan and Bart.

 

If we can find one lol.

 

Good work man. NIce numbers and nice kill. Planned on building mine this winter but getting out of the fwd world.

 

Not a bad idea tbh. gotta do what you enjoy.

 

So basically that guy in the T/A made his car heavier with the wrong setup... but nice kill.

 

It was procharged before he bought it. And in that fashion that we raced it still made 460. :P

 

460hp on a t/a would be low low 11's car... what do you think you would run in the 1/4?

Regardless your car is a bullet

 

My car is a street car. :P don't know or care what it runs at the track. :P

But also running from a dig at the track with slicks on Islot different than the street from a roll. apples an oranges. His car moves out good, I've races faster ls1's and won, but yeah just different dynamics.

 

To me roll races prove nothing... Go to the track and see what you run and come back with a story. If that T/A was making 460 it would have been a closer race... I want to see his dyno sheet.

 

Well, you are obviously entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I think that racing from a dig is even more pointless vs a rwd car that 99% of the time has a tire on it. No matter what a fwd car will never have an "equal" race against a rwd car.

So I say **** the drive train setup and the tires and lets take all that out of it and get a fair race where the powerband, usable horsepower, aerodynamicy, and the like are taken into account. Just my preference. A car can get from point a to a short point b quickly. I like testing a car a bit further.

Feel free to ask him for his dyno sheet, lol. I'm not going to go through the effort of all that. The race happened and the results were what they were. And that's all there is to it...to me that is.

 

good lord. nice runs and great video. it was actually interesting lol. what song is that too, i liked it

 

You have to take into account that scythe snake was right in his powerband and able to get decent traction. He has a good 100whp on that trans am even if he made 460. That IS what a 100whp and a lighter car moves out like on a car with 460whp.

Heres a good example, line up your car to an efr SS both of you on pump gas and see if the outcome isnt the same.

 

Nice kill. I'm jelly

 

Im not bashing your car whatsoever-your car moves but I doubt that T/A was making 460... What is his name? I am really curious to see his dyno sheet on that setup...

 

What car are you talking about? My cobalt or camaro? And i'd hope a turbo swap cobalt beat my bone stock one...

 

I'm a quarter mile guy, so I know what you mean - but you might be missing some HUGE factors;

Transmission torque capacity & suspension geometry;

1) Basically the TA has a transmission which either has been built, or can be built to easily handle any power the engine puts out... nothing new there;
The Cobalt has a transmission that is supposed to have a higher torque capacity than what GM rated them for - but to date, it's only offered by one company, and I haven't seen any hard numbers or testing to prove what it will actually handle...

Summary: roll racing is about the safest way to really get on that Cobalt ~ and not grenade the transmission.

2) RWD cars have easy solutions to getting traction in a drag race environment;
FWD cars like the Cobalt are not designed to have that much power, and have the clutch dropped...
To try to make a FWD car work in the quarter mile, often you're going to compromise the streetability of it...

Summary: Put good rubber on the TA & drop the clutch - he should be ok
Put good rubber on the cobalt, and drop the clutch and chance getting towed off the track
OR
Put insufficient rubber on the Cobalt, and chance getting major wheel hop, and again, getting towed of the track...


Again, I know what you're saying - but in saying it you're essentially white-washing how impressive this car actually stands to be... last I checked, he's the high water mark for DD Cobalts SS/TC's.

 

Soundjunky, Ryan AKA Scythe has the ZZP tranny in the car so its not stock

 

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Soundjunky, why would dumping the clutch in a rwd car be any different than in a fwd? I get wheel hop in my z28 but all I need are some bushings and it will be good. If your getting wheel hop in a fwd it's time to get some new mounts... I've never gotten wheel hop in my Balt but then again I don't have 545hp.

 

You're missing my point. A 6758 efr balt on pump fuel vs you on an aggresive tune on pump fuel is a rough equivalent to a 100whp advantage over a 460hp t/a. Not trash talking, just saying.

Also take into account that a basically stock ls3 makes over 400whp with just a tune, exhaust, intake and cams. Guy in the trans am had more aggressive mods than that. Its possible he was on a happy dyno.

 

i would love to see cmiller, scythe, and exsoccer run their cars 3 wide...that would be the most epc cobalt race

 

Agree ^^ i had my suspension set up the same way with my coilovers and it was a big difference and i'm running stock mounts with very little hop.

 

I know that - I even mentioned it;
Now could you please tell me a proven torque capacity of that transmission ~ prefferably one they would stand behind?
(because I don't think there is one ~ and just like any other speed part, it's more or less a buyer beware)

Huge difference;

first off on a RWD car (like the F-body) you have front engine/rear drive configuration;

Some poeple try to dumb it down by saying RWD is "push", where as FWD is "pull";

When you launch your car would lift the front end thereby transfer weight to the rear of the car - this helps you get more traction so that when the car is starting to move forward the most weigh possible is theoretically transferring vertical force through the drive wheels/axle...

When you launch a Cobalt, the front end raises, transferring weight to the rear of the car, and then when the car starts to "pull" you get poor traction becasue of the weight shift ~ then you get wheel hop...

In the case of FWD platforms, typically they are engineered for regular, or at best spirited driving - so the best fix (regarding your bushings statement), is going with custom derlin mounts - but even then all that is going to do is assist in limiting weight shift/engine movement ~ it will do nothing for any traction issues or undue stress on the car's drivetrain from pulling a 'miller and mounting legit slicks on it...

I get miserable traction in my Grand Am - yes, you read that right - Grand Am;
I've got it to the point where it's an uncorrected 9/10ths of a second slower e/t than my Cobalt at our local track (that's about 1/10th after density altitude correcting the GA's best; keep in mind it's 20 years old, and naturally aspirated) ~ and I employ a trick that FWD racers do (which is the opposite of what old gassers would do to further weigh shift);



I have a dropped front end - this is done to limit the amount of weight transfer ~ thereby keeping weight over the drive tires...

July 17 2009 run #3 - YouTube
I have changed my setup on the GA to have now bettered that run by 6/10th's before correction (15.2 uncorrected; 14.4 corrected).

I would suspect that Scyth bringing his car to the track for quarter mile passes would surely be risking him grenading his transmission...
I don't doubt that the ZZP transmisson is better than the stock 320ft/lbs rating of the F35 ~ but probably not in excess of (or nearly) a 100% increase;
and the further torque multiplication yielded from the lower FDR might make matters worse.

The likes of Scyth and 'miller are pushing the envelope on our cars as to what will work, or at what point things will grenade - and IMHO the whole community owes a debt of gratitude to the likes of these guys for being willing to push the envelopes on their cars...

At least those are my thoughts...

 

Yeap, true. I'm running full ttr mounts with pedders coilovers and get no wheel hop what so ever. I would imagine youd get very little wheel hop like that as well, but it does help to get mounts if you have the twm short throw and like to slam gears and not use nls so you don't blow your tranny.