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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 09:25 AM
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No I mean it felt slow compared to my old 2.8/bolt on set up, though I remember feeling the same about it when it was new/stock.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 09:55 AM
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no you will have to get another 02 bung welded in if you want to use the wideband on the stock dp
No u dont. There is a 02 mount... u will have to drill a hole in where u gonna put the 02 sensor but there is a mounting kit so it wont require u to weld! I bought it cause im gonna put it with my stock exhaust and all but when I get my combo and full cat I dont wanna buy a whole another 02 sensor. I will just strap it on and tighten it. there are for different sizes so look em up!
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 10:31 AM
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No u dont. There is a 02 mount... u will have to drill a hole in where u gonna put the 02 sensor but there is a mounting kit so it wont require u to weld! I bought it cause im gonna put it with my stock exhaust and all but when I get my combo and full cat I dont wanna buy a whole another 02 sensor. I will just strap it on and tighten it. there are for different sizes so look em up!
yo where can i pick that up for a temp fix with my wideband cause i really want that Full exhaust setup
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 10:37 AM
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AEM No Weld O2 Sensor Mount just type it into google alot of companies sell em... mine is from FRsports.com they are all around the same price. I will have it just so that way its a easy install if I ever switch exhaust and dont have to buy the sensor over and over... hope that helps!
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by manny45
AEM No Weld O2 Sensor Mount just type it into google alot of companies sell em... mine is from FRsports.com they are all around the same price. I will have it just so that way its a easy install if I ever switch exhaust and dont have to buy the sensor over and over... hope that helps!
you could have an 02 bung welded in for cheaper than that...................
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 11:15 AM
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That is true but for someone that doesnt want to weld on the 02 sensor this is the other route. Also say he puts it on now by welding he will have to buy another o2 sensor whenever he gets the new exhaust. I just find it alot easier to just buy the no weld mount... hopefully ur sensor never goes bad or gets damaged...
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 12:16 PM
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you could have an 02 bung welded in for cheaper than that...................
by myself maybe last time i talked to a welding shop they were looking for 40+ easy
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 12:24 PM
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^^^

Ya so about the same
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 03:45 PM
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a turbo s2000 running similar boost to any cars in this thread will beat them roll or dig. but no they do not turn as good as an ss/tc even if they feel like a coked out fairy haha. it shows in how bad they get annihilated at VIR when they arent much slower in the straights
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 08ShowbaltLS
a turbo s2000 running similar boost to any cars in this thread will beat them roll or dig. but no they do not turn as good as an ss/tc even if they feel like a coked out fairy haha. it shows in how bad they get annihilated at VIR when they arent much slower in the straights
Sure they make more power per lb due to compression but are you saying an S2K with a little ol T25 @13psi will be faster than a Cobalt with a 6262SP on 13psi? There is more to it than how many psi your running.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 04:21 PM
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Actually the 03 was the last year of the ap1, aka 9000 rpm redline. 04 moved to 2.2L, 8000 rpm redline.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Perfect.disguise
Sure they make more power per lb due to compression but are you saying an S2K with a little ol T25 @13psi will be faster than a Cobalt with a 6262SP on 13psi? There is more to it than how many psi your running.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 04:25 PM
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The CFT S2K is ****** sick!!!!!!
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Perfect.disguise
Sure they make more power per lb due to compression but are you saying an S2K with a little ol T25 @13psi will be faster than a Cobalt with a 6262SP on 13psi? There is more to it than how many psi your running.
you know what it just might but thats besides the point because they are completely different sizes turbos. s2ks with around 13 psi on a gt28 or similar sized turbo usually make around the low to mid 500s whp through a rwd platform. how much power would a cobalt make with a gt2871r on 13psi? 300whp maybe? its not just the compression that makes the engine superior either. honda makes the best i-4 engines imo and the f22 is hondas best usdm engine hands down. not to mention there have been builds over 700 whp on a completely stock f22 including the cft s2k and the s2k from hell on youtube search it. my brother has an s2000 cr and ran a 13.8 bone stock so i respect the car even though i own a ss/tc
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 06:34 PM
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If that was the point you should have been more specific. All you have to do is add more boost to the Cobalt. Look an LS1 will make more power per psi on the same set-up though why are we comparing the same turbo with the same psi? Either way the grand scheme the SRT and Cobalt have been faster (last time I looked) if your trying to make some point.

Is this the CFT car your talking about on "stock motor"?
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2476490
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 07:24 PM
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I'll take our lower end thanks. The CFT car has a ridiculously expensive lower end. Hell the crank they are putting in it is almost $2,000 retail. Um damn I could get a LT1 5.7liter V-8 out of a junkyard and put 700hp through it for what the lower end alone would cost on that car... Good stuff though that would be a kick ass S2K for sure. Probably isn't a balt or SRT that is rolling on the street that could beat that thing.

EDIT: About the S2K handling... I would rather have an S2K on a track than the balt. The S2K is very close to 50/50 weight distribution and the balt definitely doesn't. On a road course, thats all you need. The S2K will lose alot of ground on the straights trying to get into their RPM range but that would depend on how hard the driver wanted to push it and how good of a driver he/she was.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 07:30 PM
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haha r u serious? were talking about about 2.0-2.4L 4 cylinders and youre trying to bring in a ls1 haha. the point im trying to make is that the f22 is superior to the lnf,lsj, and whatever the 2.4 is in the neon. the guy in the thread is comparing his boosted engine vs a n/a s2k and thats all fine but if you boosted that f22 it wouldnt even be a race. i was just saying.

the cft s2k used to be stock internal it isnt anymore as they are trying to break records for all s2ks not just stock internal ones. did you look at the s2k from hell on youtube? 701whp all stock internals

im not trying to argue and say the s2000 is better than your neon or better than our cobalts because the car is almost 40k is imo not worth all that money for a 2 seater but if you have ever rode in one or followed a build on one you would be surprised...
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
Probably isn't a balt or SRT that is rolling on the street that could beat that thing.
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Really? There has been 700+hp SRT's for years DCR's red sled alone runs 8.84 @ 168.5 and that's not their straight drag SRT. That's just one specific vendor. My tuner alone is running a best of 10.6 and 138mpg still on the stock internals.

Don't get me wrong I really like the S2000's though I couldn't keep it NA.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 08ShowbaltLS
haha r u serious? were talking about about 2.0-2.4L 4 cylinders and youre trying to bring in a ls1 haha. the point im trying to make is that the f22 is superior to the lnf,lsj, and whatever the 2.4 is in the neon. the guy in the thread is comparing his boosted engine vs a n/a s2k and thats all fine but if you boosted that f22 it wouldnt even be a race. i was just saying.

the cft s2k used to be stock internal it isnt anymore as they are trying to break records for all s2ks not just stock internal ones. did you look at the s2k from hell on youtube? 701whp all stock internals

im not trying to argue and say the s2000 is better than your neon or better than our cobalts because the car is almost 40k is imo not worth all that money for a 2 seater but if you have ever rode in one or followed a build on one you would be surprised...
Every single F/I S2k isn't 700whp. Though what does all this bringing in some of the fastest have to do with the OG post?
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 08:10 PM
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My tuner alone is running a best of 10.6 and 138mpg still on the stock internals.
Wow stock internals, that would be what 600hp? crazy dude. I wouldn't try that on the 2.4 dodge but thats just me. I'm pretty happy with my balt as it sits right now and I'll stop with a 56 trim BNR stage 2 turbo and E85. I like my trans right where it is.

Besides, an SRT or SS balt would fall prey to the S2K dude... everyone knows when vtak kicks in the space time continuum is split open and the car actually bends time in order to beat us... come on dude thats basic rice knowledge.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
Wow stock internals, that would be what 600hp? crazy dude. I wouldn't try that on the 2.4 dodge but thats just me. I'm pretty happy with my balt as it sits right now and I'll stop with a 56 trim BNR stage 2 turbo and E85. I like my trans right where it is.

Besides, an SRT or SS balt would fall prey to the S2K dude... everyone knows when vtak kicks in the space time continuum is split open and the car actually bends time in order to beat us... come on dude thats basic rice knowledge.
The flux capacitor is what allows this split in the space time continuum
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 08:15 PM
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Here is to show that all turbo S2K's aren't straight monsters..

2000 Honda S2000 AP1 Turbo 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip specs 0-60 - DragTimes.com
87mph 1/8 111mph 1/4 Stock Turbo TC's have went faster.

2003 Honda S2000 Turbo 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip specs 0-60 - DragTimes.com
on a GT35R on 15psi and only trapped 92mph in the 1/8. My run of the mill setup trapped 95 mph in the 1/8 when I was on just 22psi. IDK there are some that would smoke me now but just pointing out that because it has a turbo doesn't mean it's a monster.

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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
Wow stock internals, that would be what 600hp? crazy dude. I wouldn't try that on the 2.4 dodge but thats just me. I'm pretty happy with my balt as it sits right now and I'll stop with a 56 trim BNR stage 2 turbo and E85. I like my trans right where it is.

Besides, an SRT or SS balt would fall prey to the S2K dude... everyone knows when vtak kicks in the space time continuum is split open and the car actually bends time in order to beat us... come on dude thats basic rice knowledge.
Yeah that was on an experimental set-up with no IC and he ended up heat soaking pretty bad. Should be better times this year. Private car BTW.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 08:27 PM
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Yeah that was on an experimental set-up with no IC and he ended up heat soaking pretty bad. Should be better times this year. Private car BTW.
That set up sounds less than ideal to me. I'm not one to be a nay sayer though so I hope he kills the track man. Sounds like a beastly car, I wouldn't want to run him right now.
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Old Feb 17, 2011 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
That set up sounds less than ideal to me. I'm not one to be a nay sayer though so I hope he kills the track man. Sounds like a beastly car, I wouldn't want to run him right now.
IIRC it was just straight water meth, has a side mount set-up, etc. He knows his stuff he was the first in the 10's on stock bottom end.
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