I hate to say it, but, AGREED.^

 

Zinner that sounds kind of lame when you say it like that. Comparing the top of the line cobalt to the base wrx? How about the STI vs the LS for comparison while we're at it.

 

Cobalt has been out for less than a year, and there are 2 phase 5 cobalts I know off.
What does personally witnessing anything have to do with it? In fact I would say all your hearsay doesn't amount to anything compared to actual facts and pictures put out by journalists. I didn't know this was about who had the most friends with the same car as me.

I am sorry that Subaru doesn't put out a factory dragster you can brag about.

I can't really comment on your friends cars and how much horsepower they make cause it's all pretty much unverifiable.


Yeah the Grand Am Cobalt has factory brakes and only upgrade is different pads (pagdin RS14 pads). So you can get up off the floor and stop laughing.


I am definetly a fan of the cobalt, otherwise I wouldn't argue with you. Whats your point? You are a fan of Subaru's.

Pretty much know your running out of real points when you start personally attacking someone of the opposing view point.

Not sure what your trying to imply here, but if you depend on internet forums to do your decision making so be it. I depends on research and facts.



You can build the Phase 5 cobalt right now too, GM has a parts and supplier list on their website gmtunersource.com. I think we have a member who is doing that right now and he budgets I think 35k for the project including the price of the car.

I wouldn't get a WS6 cause well then it would be a used car, and I don't want a 4 year old car.

 

Well since the cobalt (ss/sc) is 2k less than a base WRX I don't agree with you.

All the magazine comparos seem to think the WRX and the SS/SC are a fair comparison.

 

I am done with this thread, it's great everyone has 1300 friends with 2000 WHP turbo 2.4 WRX's. Maybe you should take it to the Subaru boards where someone cares.

 

2.0 or 2.5

 

Everytime I come to this forum theres another tread like this...will the madness ever STOP.

 

Does your cobalt or camaro do this? This was when it was about a month old, only mod was a loose nut behind the wheel.


how about this?


Man, these pictures make me wish I had another 25 grand for AWD in the winter. I could kick Michigan ass LOL

 

The fanboism is strong in this thread...

 

seriously, there is no chance in hell that just putting a turbo on a cobalt is going to make for a 600hp setup

i will openly admit that a cobalt SS/SC probably does handle better than a WRX(never driven a cobalt ss/sc). thats what having factory pirelli p-zero tires on 18inch wheels will get you, especially when the other car comes with the crappy re92 all season tires that dont grip worth a damn on 16inch wheels. modded(suspension wise), thats another story, because, in the end the cobalt is still a FWD platform

cobalt ss/sc vs wrx is a perfectly fair compairison in my book, stock for stock, the cobalt is faster, cheaper, and comes with better rubber. the ecotec motor has been proven to be one of the best 4cyl motors ever and i am very happy that GM came out with the redline and SS/SC. competition is good for the consumer

 

Just so nobody forgets... this thread started about a roll race between an Evo and an SS/SC....

 

This story is believable. I had the same exact experience when i raced a stock evo from a 45mph roll. Hung with him the whole time, inchingon him the whole time.

 

Oh boy gee I sure wish I could treat my Cobalt SS/Camaro SS like a pile of **** truck I didn't care about.

Thats the first thing I thought about when buying my two SS's.

" Damn now I won't be able to play in the sand or snow "

Oh, Wait a minute thats what I have my 1993 Cavalier Z24 for!


Back to the facts:

A) A Stock WRX will be eaten alive by a SS/SC even from a dig the SS will catch up.

B) From a roll a EVO or STi will have it's hands full vs SS/SC


Go play in the sand....................

 

Fact

A) My stock 02' WRX wagon did the 1/4 in 14.3. This is faster then any stock CobaltSS around.

B) Stop smoking crack.


P.S. the new 06' WRX is even faster then my 02' was, so going forward the CobaltSS will have it's hands full.

 

C&D did a five car test and the CobaltSS finished fourth and the WRX was second.

Get your facts straight!


Here is the link for you to read about how the CobaltSS came in four place out of five cars http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9845


Now that the WRX has changed a bit in 06' the CobaltSS will need to watch out

 

The man speaks the truth. Nobody is saying that a SS/SC a better car than an Evo! This thread is about a race from a roll, and as we've established a million times on this site, a SS/SC can hang with an Evo from a roll. Not on an auto-x course. Not on a rally course. ONLY FROM A ROLL. Can we stop agruing this now?

 

Using your car for what it was built for is treating it like ****? I was camping on the beach and one of my friends snapped a pic of me leaving to go get some food. You are indeed a nipplehead. The funny thing is, even treating my wrx as I do, it will still last longer and have a better resale as well.

I ran a 14.1@96.3 with only a drop in filter and that was with a crap 1.93s 60', so when does the cobalt catch up,? Oh I forgot you're a big and bad street racer taking it to any speed regardless of the safety. The 06 2.5 has more torque(it's a detuned STi motor now) 4 pot brakes up front, 2 in the rear, bigger rotors, bigger wheels, different rubber, stiffer suspension. I've already seen a 14flat @98 out of an 06, with a 1.98 60'. Bigger motor, boost comes on about 600rpms sooner, doesn't fall on it's face at high rpms. So where will the cobalt come into play now? And as it stands right now, I haven't seen a single street legal cobalt that can keep up with me now, oh I note the almighty Phase 5 ran a 11.98 at 115mph and that's a dedicated race team with slicks ROFL.

And BS on the BONE STOCK SS hanging with an EVO, maybe STi seeing as it put about 25 less ponies to the ground than an EVO, If a stock one can hand you beat the driver not the car. Everyone I see saying they hung with either has some sort of modifications. $50 MBC on the EVO, WRX, or STi will cure that real quick. WRX with MBC only puts 190 to the ground(although not recommended on the 04-05 wrx, it will learn around an MBC) and weighs only slightly more than SS.

Be happy with your car, but don't for one second consider it anything more than it is. Even if it can almost hang with an EVO or STi from a roll, it's not even remotely in the same class, there's a reason they both cost more, and they both SELL MORE(Talking EVO and STi versus Cobalt SS/SC, there are plenty of other cheap cobalts).

Go drive an 06 WRX, and see if they let you test drive an EVO or STi. Your tune will change a bit.

I picture you one of the great americans that knows the US is the best country in the world but has never left it's borders. Same thing with cars. My cobalt is better, I don't need to look at anything else. Now git bak ta yer inbreedin and let the grown folks talk.

Ok I'm done. More important things to do than argue with closed minded monkeys. I came here with an open receptive mind, as I've noted many people have, but you have re-enforced my thoughts of the A-typical domestic sport compact turner. Congrats!

 

^^Thats what I've been saying for a while now. Some people just live in fanboi fantasy land.

 

Might be a little off topic... but i like the WRX/Sti... Evo..... and will have my SS S/C soon. But that C&D test was retarted !! AT LEAST THE wrx could have came in 1st... but C&D is all about Honda/toyota/nissan i forget the name for the 3. So almost anything outta that place is a little off wack... My $.02

 

so... im gonna throw in my $.02 now. the cobalt SS/SC can indeed hang with the Evo from a roll, NOT FROM A DIG THOUGH!!! ive never raced an STi so i wouldnt know, but i doubt i would hang at all, i agree with ILLUSION here. all this "not even from a roll" stuff is crazy though, when talkin about the Evo. i watched it happen from my driver's seat. different cars do better at different rolls. from my experience, the cobalt ss is pretty good from about 40-45mph(my own personal car at least). at a different speed, i might have lost, but in this one particular race i didnt... i won. im not one of the "cobalts rock my sox off!" type people, i love STi's and Evo's too and i know that the cobalt SS/SC isnt THAT fast. all im saying is, it happens, the evo DOES lose to the cobalt, BUT the cobalt loses as well, it just depends on how the two cars race. if i get a camcorder anytime soon, ill race him again, same race, and ill film it. i found out that he lives down the street from me. BTW this race was stock vs. stock... its rare to find a stock evo on the road so of course people dont see them lose to a cobalt.

P.S. im just tellin the story, so if there are any kids out there that wanna do some talkin', just dont. i see almost every forum turn into a little 4th grade fight, enough with the immature crap already...

 

I think the problem here is you have SC response vs a turbo car that's in lag. Even with alll that said what speed did you take it up to? I need to see if indeed the SS is that quick too bad I am slightly modded...

 

Lets make it simple! Do you think an well driven SS will beat a well driven STI or EVO around a road course?

Saying that those cars are made by their all wheel drive alone is silly. The STI and EVO are very well balanced cars (better than the SS), that come with excellent suspensions (better than the SS), and brakes (better than the SS).

Furthermore, if you take away the all wheel drive of the STI and EVO they would walk an SS from any speed. As I'm sure your well aware its not our power but our drive train loss that allows you to make it close from a roll. We pay the price on the top end (who cares, racing around at 120 on public roads is insane) you take the hit everywhere else (As in the STI and EVO are far better daily drivers, and much better "sports cars.") I don't think there is a legal racing event that would favor the SS! You keep racing around on the streets and after you kill your self, we'll all act sad.


I don't mean to hate, and if anyone but Cody is offended I'm sorry, buy that kid is a clown. If I were a mod, which I'm not, I would ban him and save everyone who posts here some grief.

 

Why what did I do wrong?

Is this a Subaru site?

Is this a Mitsubishi site?

I am not wrong for sticking up for my Cobalt SS since this is Cobaltss.net It seems everyone who comes here says everything on there car is better. They alway have an excuse, well fine than vs your car against my $30K 2002 Camaro SS I'll beat you in the 1/4, top speed, Auto-X.................

Anyone who is offended by me either don't know what they are taliking about or they idolize the characters from The Fast And The Furious.

 

I highly highly doubt that a SS/SC will get in front of a 06 EVO.. Even from a roll unless maybe the evo doesnt down shift. I dont know about the older evos from a roll but the new Evo MR's are quick as ****. they got like 290 hp now with a 6 speed and everything.I mean they are 13 second flat q/t cars and im sure that motor is still pushing that car just as good after that quarter mile. An evo will beat a SS/SC low end/top end/middle end i think. I like cobalts and am not bashing them. But it is dumb to compare it to something out of its class. Sure they both have 2.0's but One is a rally car one is a sport compact...

 

From my personal experience, from a 15mph roll up to 80 the evo blows by me at ~55. Unless you're racing to 50-55, you will not take an evo. The evo I raced did have an exhaust and intake but other than that it was pretty much stock. I don't see an intake and exhaust helping THAT much. Evo's are fast cars. Period. Cobalt ss/sc's are fast cars but slower than evo's (or maybe i just suck at driving stick lol )