Well ost kids who own them only upgrade the intercooler, boost controller, exhaust and intake, with a shop tuning them around here. They average low 14 1/4 mile times..

 

Making a blanket statement like that makes you look ignorant to the subject.

 

Thats what i was thinkin. They can be very very fast with only a boost controller cuz every boosted car could turn up the boost and take off 2 seconds off the ET

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNzbcEXudE

lets see your cobalt EVER do that, and dont try to say oooo thats a race car, because that is his DAILY DRIVER. Do some research on cars before you open your mouth and insert foot.

DSMs are extremely muzzled from the factory, and you cant do a stock for stock comparison on cobalt ss to dsm turbo, they have 10yrs worth of aging and abuse on them, lets see how well ur cobalt is doing in 10 yrs.

Stock GSX will outrun a Stock Cobalt SC from a dig, GST will outrun a cobalt SC from a 20 punch (do not run DSM from 20mph, they are still in 1st gear with full boost, it pulls extremely hard from there)

DSM + basic bolt ons will slaughter MOST Cobalt SCs. I had a 95 GSX with EVO III Big 16 G, Greddy EBC, SAFC II, and all basic bolt ons, and it was good for low to mid 13s on pump gas.

 

The only problem with soing that is if they put too much boost, they will crack the head. Those cars turbos are maxed out at 16 psi for a reason...People now a days just dont want to believe it cuz they want faster.

 

With money you can make anythin happen. You can make anythin fast, in my case. I KNOW this dude's dsm isnt 7 seconds and if it was i wouldnt even waste my time.. At 7 seconds, i dont see how that car can be street legeal to be a daily driver. But i guess. Really i could care less about that dsm, but i will admit it was fast as ****, anyway the comment you said when you said you cant compared a car thats 10 yrs worth of aging? Why not. If you have it and racing as such, you are gonna race newer cars! And the 1/4 time that are posted came from when the car came out years ago. A old car doesnt mean a slow car! As we just saw!

Thats true

 

Crack the head? You do know first gen motors will hold 400+hp all day long rite? You just have to switch to a bigger turbo and get some basic supporting mods, But the head has nothing to do with it...

Very well said

And to help prove my point, Take my brothers car, Runs low 11's all day long, Its his daily driver, He drives it home (10 hour drive) atleast 3 times a year. Insane if you ask me, VIDS:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAnivGoutXE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PFlxx3lzXs&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swhqZ3JMy-U&feature=user

 

Ya I was thinking of the esi, a kid here has a es turbo running 24 psi as his daily driver.

 

24 psi on a daily driven ESI huh?

 

Why would that be bs.

 

Because the fastest 420a there is runs about that and puts down over 500whp. 420a's dont run much boost because the make their power off of aggressive timing maps. I have a built 420a myself, I know my ****. Check my vb garage for my mods

 

wow. someone said a dsm may beat an ss/sc and all of a sudden most ignorant "kids" on here call them ****. i came from dsm and want another one for a project. by no means are they garbage or slow. you all believe the motovational posters about crankwalk and make your assumptions there. that was the 2nd gen 7 bolt flywheel motor. first gens with the 6 bolt flywheel pwn. im done here.

 

Well I dont know about you but I saw this first hand. The kid I was with has 2 talons and 2 eclipses and he know his ****. Probably more than anyone I know. But Im just tellin you what I saw, hence why he had a cracked head. Personally you play your cards right, you can get 24 psi with that engine, but he obviously went overboard..

 

Thats why i call bs, I have NEVER heard of anybody cracking a head due to boosting. And im well aware of how much boost i can run, But i dont need 24psi. When you get to my level, You dont brag about "how many psi your runnin", You just try to make power, plain and simple.


By the way im just getting ready to turn 16, Bought my car at 14... Just thought id let you know

 

Well Im not bragging about how much Im boosting, I dont brag at all. Personally I dont brag about my car at all. I do up my car for fun, not for bragging rights. And you level, what is that, cuz you cant even drive a car yet you think you know everything about cars cuz you read in the forums. Im not trying to be a dick here Im just saying I know cars, maybe not as much as you I dont know, personally I dont care. Maybe you havent heard of anyone cracking their head from boost, but I have, Ive seen a lot of things. Most of the kids around here are little mommy bys who get whatever they want and dont know **** about anything. So honestly I can beleive a lot of **** happening to cars that people neevr knew could happen with all these dumbasses up here. And what does it matter if your now just turning 16. Do you think I honetly care? And again I dont mean to be a dick Im just saying what I think should be said...

 

that is exactly what im saying if you came across a stock or mostly stock eclipse that is 10+yrs old it is going to have some HP loss due to wear and tear on the motor and other things like warn bushings so you dont apply soo much power to the ground etc. that is why I said that you cannot compare the stock numbers from a DSM to the stock numbers on a cobalt.

 

I dont like bragging either, I didnt mean to brag if i did.I know allot about dsm's, And motors in general. And it may be possible to crack a head from boosting, Just not on 420a unless there is something major wrong. And i know what i know from first hand experience not reading in the forums. Did you see my brothers car? Yea watched that car being built and even help a little here and there..... Did you look at my mod list? Yea did most of that myself.... I have made stupid mistakes, But i have learned from them like everybody else. And I just told you how old I am because i like hearing peoples reactions Its pretty fun to go the local track and make 25yr old guys studder when i prove them wrong on something about their car I did not mean to be a dick at any time, When i said something i tried my best to back it up with proof. If I came acrossed as a spoiled little punk or somthing , Im sorry im just kinda point blank at times.

 

stock for stock a 1st gen TSi will be owned by the ss/sc i know bc my friend got his talon tsi back on the road a week after i got my balt he had just finished rebuilding the head. after we both broke our cars in we ran a few times and no matter what from a dig or a roll i would walk all over him. that was 1 1/2 years ago and i put about 1200$ into my car I/H/D/E/ polly tranny mounts and a custom tune.
he has a 15$ mbc set at 15psi, stg 2 clutch 500$ and a 200$ custom 3in exhaust. and gues what we run neck and neck from a roll ill usually pull him a lil up top 100< from a dig he luanches at 5.5k and well yea no chance 5-6 cars easy. hes probly running mid 13s
thoes cars are really ballsy and the 4g63 is an amazing moter if i did to my car what he does to his i would have blew it up 43 times by now but that thing gets up and goes everyday 120k miles and the compression is still perfect