Sorry, it wasn't meant to be bashing. And GTP does have a strong 2.4, his numbers prove that. But considering how much more power you have, it shouldn't be too much of an issue for you to walk him. Sounds like you started in to low of a gear, maybe he shifts faster than you? I dunno. When I first read this post, I was skeptical, but I know anything can happen on the street. That's why I told him to get to the track. After seeing the dyno numbers, somthing doesn't make sense. But either way, good races.

 

GTP is pretty quick in his 2.4.....He doesn't ever say he can beat an SS....but he doesn't fall too far back from a stock SS/SC, I dynoed at 243whp today, and last night we ran from a stop and I had a car pull out in front of me, so i had to swirve, and I had some trouble catching back up to him.....unless you see his car run first hand, you don't really understand.

The other thing to keep in mind with GTP is that he was smart when he ordered his car. No leather, no sub, no sunroof on top of the fact that the SS N/A is lighter than the SS/SC stock by just under 100lbs. He's shaved off a LOT of weight. The SS/SCs are beasts when it comes to weight. I would say SAFELY that GTP is at least 150lbs lighter than Wes's car. That doesn't make up for the entire difference, but it sure as hell helped.

 

I would love to see GTP's 2.4 on the track though, curious at what his times would be.

 

With him being a sedan, I don't care if it has no options, he's not going to be that much lighter in my opinion. Your comparison of "catching back up to him" is a BS comparison. You could let a stock 2.2 jump and go, and it would be fairly hard to catch up to him too. The only comparison that would be accurate is at the track. Here's another thing to try-
have GTP drive WSFRAZIER'S car, and WSFRAZIER drive GTP's car and race. Then you'll see what I mean....

 

i know that the 2.4s are good cars...i had one before my ss/sc... it was stock except for an injen sri. those cars can pull pretty hard, but when i took my first ride in an ss/sc i was blown away by how much faster it was. don't get me wrong, the 2.4 is a quick car, but its gonna take a lot more than i/h/e/tune to beat an ss/sc. i can't see a 2.4 beating an ss/sc (with a good driver) unless he goes FI.... i just don't see it happening... maybe someone will prove me wrong though.... but after having both cars, the ss/sc is just too powerful

 

My best is a few tenths slower then what most s/c's run, so i know with a full header back and re-tune we will be right with them. And you really need to feel the difference between a stock 2.4 and a tuned 2.4, world of difference.

 

neon sedans are lighter than neon coupes...

 

ive raced ranger on dubs and he jumped ahead maybe an car legth but that was it, i raced another s/c from an dig and beat it by about an car length an a half but i got an really nice launch and he was spinning.

 

so are integra's

 

Friend of mine has a 96 Neon coupe 5 speed and a 98 Neon sedan auto. Both had no option. The coupe was almost 100lbs lighter on the scale.

 

if u do from a roll and ur goin 30-40mph have it in 4th and on the 2ed beep drop that bitch on 2ed and stomp on it... u will get a small jump. like 2-3feet

 

which motors...the auto is 40lb more in itself. What was the gas levels? Wing? Drums or discs? that accounts for about 9 lb iirc

2 identically optioned cars will see the sedan about 50lb lighter with the same fluid levels.

Dan

 

Cars were identical base models with sohc & no wing and disc/drum brakes. Coupe was bought from another friend when headgasket blew. Coupe was weighed with 1/4 in the tank to get a baseline weight to see what stripping the interior would save. Anyway, it weighed about 2300lbs and he dropped the dohc from the Stratus in and was running mid 14s. Don't know what sedan was weighed with.

 

that tune sounds pretty awesome

 

your mom sounds awesome



SCHWING! got another one YES!

 

To resolve some of the theoretical issues on drivers, power differences etc.., I am going to take the car and get it weighted. It must be something. The fact is on roll ons etc, the modded 2.4 hangs in there REALLY well with the SS/SCs. We'll get some vids as well.

 

im sorry but there is no way in hell that is gonna give you 13's.

 

I never said it would i said thats my goal while staying NA. I said low 14's with those mods

 

I'm not totally doubting it, but, door structures weigh a more than regular fenders, and the sedan has more door structure overall, so logically you'd expect it to be heavier. Plus i looked up consumer guides and magazine raced the curb weights (sedan - 2415, coupe - 2385). 30lbs, not a big deal either way. Car options could definitely swing that number around.

 

Hmmm.

 

please dont take this the wrong way. im totally with you 2.4s and the whole "run what you brung" attitude. cobalts rock in all their forms

but i cant help shaking my head at a car dyno'ing in the 170's with mods "hanging" with a car that rolls off the factory with 205


again please dont flame because of my question.....i love all the balts, im not against 2.2 2.0 or 2.4,

but i find it very hard to believe that a car pushing 170. even giving a massive benefit of doubt and say even if your running 180, could hang with a SC purely on power.

*shrug* im not saying it physically didnt happen. but what i am saying, is that the numbers suggest that it shouldnt even be a race, and that the outcome was probably determined on other factors. (i hate to use the word "driver" because people freak thinking your saying the driver sucked)


again, please before you flame at me, im not trying to hate on the 2.2 or 2.4. but on first inspection it seems kinda funky.....

 

(exhale)...well you need to consider other factors besides just HORSEPOWER. Weight, gearing, rotation mass of tires and wheels etc. Look at my car spec's in the sig. Probably damn near 200-300lbs lighter than an SS/SC if not more. No sunroof, no leather, no system, no 18s.

It just a matter of continually thinking horsepower wins all races. It just simply doesn't. It helps but your physics argument needs to consider other things.

Also, why would a group of about 5-8 people just make up the story? Not because we need the publicity. Its a fact and its goig to get alot better as the 2.4s get tuned, and my car loses more weight with light weight rims, ZZ Perf header 3 inch catless downpipe, exhaust, stiffys...watch out it might go high 13s on DRs if I can launch at anything other than below 2000 rpms without wheel hop...

 

Yah i watched GTP beat a stock SS/SC at the track, he tells the truth, no offence....brian lol

 

GTP walks the walk, Iam a 18 year pro driver (rig) I have my suspicians that GTP is a very good driver. all the points he has made concernig weight etc all factors in the final result

 

Thanks Mike. If you happen to have a SCCA Racing Rule Book you might even find my name in the back.......