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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:09 AM
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:12 AM
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You say "werd" way too much lol
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:14 AM
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I read a couple of posts about it, so people have made the claim, but I don't know that I buy it. I can live with the race being close, but a 2005/06 EVO MR would not lose to a 2005/06 from a roll. If you guys are beating these cars, you either have factory freaks, the guy your raced has a lemon, or he is a terrible driver.

Who said anything about an MR?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:14 AM
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by phxSS
very true. i know first hand
We can sit here all day and debate this but the 1/4 traps lead me to believe that the guys beating evo's are racing older models, or against guys who don't know what they are doing.

The numbers below are about as close as were going to get to objectivity.


C&D has the following:

MR: 104 SEE HERE

SS: 100 SEE HERE

4 isn't much, but it probably would translate to a car lenght or so. They guys beating up on these EVO's, did they get there Turbo's spooled before you started the race? You have an advantage on a EVO if he can't get his Turbo up all the way since you get the boost almost instantly.


Oh, and while reading the threads I found that one of the guys who said he was beating out his buddies evo also said he keeps in close in the AUTO X course. Take it from someone who has seen many an auto x race, the EVO will kill a SS given equal drivers. I'm not trying to hate but when it comes to actual track driving the EVO is way way way out of the Cobalts league. Conclusion, someones buddy does not know how to drive.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:33 AM
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You say "werd" way too much lol
and you're a post ***** !!!
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:33 AM
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Dude.. your harsh.. calm down a lil.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:34 AM
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and you're a post ***** !!!
No...... not anymore
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:35 AM
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No...... not anymore
Im not either...
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:35 AM
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:35 AM
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:37 AM
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 12:44 AM
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Most turbos will lose from a roll, the turbos have to spool. My friend has a Civic with a turboed GSR motor running 8 lbs. of boost and he flat out said that his car is slow to accelerate from a roll because of the turbo lag. Once spooled look out!

EDIT: it depends on what speed you decide to go at. If the turbo is in running range then you have more of a challenge.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 02:21 AM
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wrx's have no ***** what so ever after 2nd gear when stock. basically, they suck if they are below 3000rpm too, which most WRX's have a hard time shifting into 1st unless they are practically stopped(mine is like this). 2nd gear bog sucks big time.

but it is annoying when people are afraid to lose even when the race is purely for fun, practice, and comparison reasons

this highschool friend of mine wouldnt race my WRX with his modded 350z(intake and headers that i know of) from a stop. it took giving him a car and a half as well as the go to get him to actually race me and a stock evo

it was also partially because he remembered what i did to my celica in highschool and figured i could do way more to a WRX. plus everyone there was going around that night saying i had a stage 3 turbo upgrade the only way i could get them to believe that i had a stock turbo was to put money on it.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pkskull77
I read a couple of posts about it, so people have made the claim, but I don't know that I buy it. I can live with the race being close, but a 2005/06 EVO MR would not lose to a 2005/06 from a roll. If you guys are beating these cars, you either have factory freaks, the guy your raced has a lemon, or he is a terrible driver.

i know that if we had more room, I would have inched past him. I was creeping on him steadily, but we both quit due to going a Little too fast for the streets.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobalt_Supercharged
Most turbos will lose from a roll, the turbos have to spool. My friend has a Civic with a turboed GSR motor running 8 lbs. of boost and he flat out said that his car is slow to accelerate from a roll because of the turbo lag. Once spooled look out!

EDIT: it depends on what speed you decide to go at. If the turbo is in running range then you have more of a challenge.
You've obivously never driven a factory turbocharged car.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 08:51 PM
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Well technically you would still beat a WRX from a DIG. Go to 100 and youll zoom right past him. They trap about 100 at the 1/4 and so do we. But we have the top end. Look at it that way!

They trap around 93 bone stock in the quarter mile.

Originally Posted by Cobalt_Supercharged
Most turbos will lose from a roll, the turbos have to spool

How do you explain why SRT4's are so fast then?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by UtOhCop
How do you explain why SRT4's are so fast then?

they have more gerbils blowing in the turbo to get it spooled up faster ?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by phxSS
i know that if we had more room, I would have inched past him. I was creeping on him steadily, but we both quit due to going a Little too fast for the streets.
What year, and what model?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Self
You've obivously never driven a factory turbocharged car.
Hey buddy - he's correct about the turbo having to spool before the power comes on. Its fine if you are in the powerband and above the point where the tubo starts boosting, but if you fall off the boost or start in too low of a gear, you're all done due to turbo lag.

A Supercharger offers instantaneos response everywhere in the powerband, there is no set RPM where the boost kicks in and there is zero lag to speak of.
Get the facts straight before you go and bash
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wesmanw02
Get the facts straight before you go and bash
Heed your own advice "buddy".

Not all factory turbocharged vehicles are plauged by "turbo lag" as much as a WRX.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pkskull77
What year, and what model?
'05 Evo VIII
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by wesmanw02
A Supercharger offers instantaneos response everywhere in the powerband, there is no set RPM where the boost kicks in and there is zero lag to speak of.
I didnt know there was a set RPM where a turbo can only build boost? I dont wait for boost, 15-16psi, and I never go WOT in too low of a RPM.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 11:36 PM
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BTW, I think the SS and the EVO both look like they're in the same price range APPEARANCE wise.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by UtOhCop
How do you explain why SRT4's are so fast then?
From the reviews I have read the SS/SC beats the SRT4 from 0-30 or 40 mph. Not by much, but then the rpm's get into optimal range for the turbo and you know the rest.
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