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nice, whats ETA up and running???

A few weeks hopefully... just waiting on my ARP stuff and head gasket to finally get in. But I"ll be testing on the stock motor for now since my head was finally sent out to be cnc ported, custom cams, oversized valves, Ti retainers, new valve springs.... It's all out being worked, just waiting for it to come back.
Also gonna probably swap out the compressor housing to a t-60 for now just so I can fit it somewhere.

9.5:1 for this build, waiting for someone to release a 8,5:1 or 8.0:1 compression. Might hold off on motor assembly til then. Gotta see what comes up. Want to do this once the right way and have a motor that lasts. But I will be building up my stock one also as a spare just in case I have problems

what turbo is that?

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some more pics... waiting on the my intercooler, piping, clamps, and godzilla blowoff valve to arrive next week...

Damn that is going to be a crazy setup. Im just wondering if you could tell me where you are sending your heads out and how much it is for you because I am actually considering JBP stage 3 heads so I am not sure if there is another option for me thanks.

it's a Turbonetics custom T-76 Ceramic ball bearing, big shaft, Q-trim turbo. A little big, but the price was rediculous, so I'll probably just swap housings around til I come up with a good combo. This turbo cost my Friend over $2500 new. Not gonna say what I paid for it lol. butit only had 3 dyno pulls on it. thing is as close to brand new as you can get

Damn that is going to be a crazy setup. Im just wondering if you could tell me where you are sending your heads out and how much it is for you because I am actually considering JBP stage 3 heads so I am not sure if there is another option for me thanks.

head is being done by the guys that did jason whitfields cobalt... close to the same spec and setup too...

Thanks for the info.

once I get all the specs back to me I"ll post em up in this thread

O ya I remember you postin that, I can't wait to this beast tearin it up.

Wouldn't a lower compression like 8.5 or 8.0:1 be better, but i've heard sticking to 9.5:1 would be easier for tuning

I would rather have the lower compression, might end up having a set made and sell the 9.5's, just gotta see how difficult tuning will be

On a total side note....

Did you know that if you take those plastic vacu-formed accessory displays OUT of those Dremel XPR accessory cases that there are dividers you can use to hold a lot more stuff in those little accessory cases?

Good idea man. New kit I just bought so don't have many bits yet (my old one got stolen)

I would rather have the lower compression, might end up having a set made and sell the 9.5's, just gotta see how difficult tuning will be

You do know that Wiseco made 8.0:1 pistons for me which means it is only a matter of getting them to use the same specs for you, right???;) ;)

good shit man. did they create a pn for them? and how much they run you? (you can pm that if you want) I might be placing an order monday then.
Anyone interested in a set of 9.5:1 diamond pistons uncoated... lol

NICE PAUL!! your cars gunna rip now, and dude when you get that all installed let me know so i can come down and check it out

will do... hopefully have it up and runnin mid summer. Just gotta see how my funds situation is

Good luck with your new setup! Looks like it's gonna be a blast!:twothumbs

Be sure to get good pics of the install;)

good shit man. did they create a pn for them? and how much they run you? (you can pm that if you want) I might be placing an order monday then.
Anyone interested in a set of 9.5:1 diamond pistons uncoated... lol

PM sent:cool:

got it.. thanks man

:cussing: Fucking traitor!!!


Good luck with the build man, can't wait to see it in action... after waiting 5 minutes for the turbo to spool :lol:

nic e man u got a messy room j/k lol

Looks like good times for sure man.

Is that a Uromastyx (sp?) HE looks like a big boy. I have a beardie now that is getting crazy bug

savannah monitor... lol

and don't worry about spool time. I have a few different compressor and exhaust housings coming in next week so I can tailor it to my motor... plus... who the fuck wants peak torque off the line anyway. I have a hard enough time hooking up with the setup I have now... and I have every traction mod available on my car at the moment........ and slicks

looks good man...should haul some ass. The only I would want to change is the wastegae, everyone I know that used the deltagates always had trouble with spiking/leaking...I always used a Tial on my turbo cars and loved em. Can't wait to see it run!

savannah monitor... lol

and don't worry about spool time. I have a few different compressor and exhaust housings coming in next week so I can tailor it to my motor... plus... who the fuck wants peak torque off the line anyway. I have a hard enough time hooking up with the setup I have now... and I have every traction mod available on my car at the moment........ and slicks

I keep telling you to get that 1 traction mod you don't have, then all the torque off the line will be cool.;):lol:

This thread kicks ass, I really think Paul knows what hes doing. Would be real nice if they came out with forged diamon pistions in 8:1 or 8:5:1.

I'm gonna talk to another company about releasing a set hopefully.... I'm gonna end up getting a set of 8.5:1 pistons made for now since my boost plans have changed drastically

What size external wastegate is that?

45mm

Fucking knew it was in the 40s lol

you whore.

savannah monitor... lol

and don't worry about spool time. I have a few different compressor and exhaust housings coming in next week so I can tailor it to my motor... plus... who the fuck wants peak torque off the line anyway. I have a hard enough time hooking up with the setup I have now... and I have every traction mod available on my car at the moment........ and slicks

Who gives a shit about traction off the line! Its a FWD car, fuck traction, its all about roll racing with FWD.

FWD FTMFL!!!!!!

That thing is a beast...

roll racing is for pussies that can't drive. Digs are for real men.

Fucking knew it was in the 40s lol

you whore.

Yes I am... lol

roll racing is for pussies that can't drive. Digs are for real men....

^^X2

Paul, Is the 2.2L block the same block as the 2.0L? If so I can get a used one really cheap and build it part time...


I'm almost postive that it is. Still need to check a few things. I have a spare motor available to me for like $50. I was thinking of building that up since it's cheaper for parts. I do think that the LSJ block is cast differently though and is a little stronger.

I'm almost postive that it is. Still need to check a few things. I have a spare motor available to me for like $50. I was thinking of building that up since it's cheaper for parts. I do think that the LSJ block is cast differently though and is a little stronger.

Yeah the LSJ block is cast inhouse at the German assy plant for the LSJ, but the only diff is casting technique, all of the dimensions and hardpoints are the same, so pretty much ecotec block can be built up the same way, and then substituted for the LSJ, I think there may be some ineterference issues in certain head/block combos though

Plus it could be built with stronger rods, stronger crank and pistons....for the same money as buying a used LSJ motor and starting from there.

For sure. I'm not 100% off the top of my head on what the 2.2 eco cylinder sleeves are rated for, but I have .pdf copies of all of GM's build books if you want em, they have teh info and part numbers/specs for pretty much everything needed.

The one major difference with the LSJ is the piston cooling jets in the bottom end. I know other ecos have the passages, just not the actual jet arms themselves, but I don't remember what all was required to get them up and running in them

pretty much.... I know the LSJ is a bit denser casting.. and the oil squirters of course

roll racing is for pussies that can't drive. Digs are for real men. Or for people who can't afford to spends ooodles of money getting their FWD piece of shit to hook up.

hey I'm not loaded either man... it's just choosing the right mods first. and finding deals (which I had plenty of ... thanks peoples for that)

Or for people who can't afford to spends ooodles of money getting their FWD piece of shit to hook up.

or converting it to rwd

lol damn you victory red

lol damn you victory red

Come on Paul, you know you want to.....with your connections you will have it done it no time. :lol::lol:

tis true... but time is one thing I don't have at the moment. might be going in with a friend to open a shop in the near future... so then maybe it will be done

ok got all my piping today for the D.P. and the intercooler...all 3" t304 ss. Hopefully get rockin on this thing soon

Im pumped for this, :lol: and its not even my car

lol ... thanks man... just a few minor time setbacks I trying to overcome right now... but this is definitely gonna be done soon.

lol ... thanks man... just a few minor time setbacks I trying to overcome right now... but this is definitely gonna be done soon.

Thats a word I have heard many times about my project.
Definition I have come to understand of the word "soon",
"maybe in your lifetime":nono::lol::lol:

Rod, you have more patience than I will ever have. I'd fly down to TO and start smakcing ppl until it was done. But thats just me

Rod, you have more patience than I will ever have. I'd fly down to TO and start smakcing ppl until it was done. But thats just me

Maybe I can hire you ;);):nono::lol:

:lol: damn straight, if you do the car will be running in no time :)

Thats a word I have heard many times about my project.
Definition I have come to understand of the word "soon",
"maybe in your lifetime":nono::lol::lol:

lol... that's why I'm handling this myself... from planning to building to tuning and testing. I don't like to rely on others. Fortunately I have cobalt-addiction locally and they have helped me out before and hopefully they can help me out with my turbo manifold and intake manifold. Gonna talk to Kenny tomorrow and see what kind of schedule and whatnot I can work out with them. I unfortunately lost my garage last year, so this is definitely gonna be a challenge, but so were all my last projects which people said I could never get finished.. and I did. So wish me luck and hopefully soon I'll have one the fastest, if not the fastest street legal balts out there, until rod's is done of course.

^^ maybe you can tell them to somehow make a few of those manifolds and sell them hint hint lol.

hopefully

Thats a word I have heard many times about my project.
Definition I have come to understand of the word "soon",
"maybe in your lifetime":nono::lol::lol:

Do you honestly thing your going to get 700 whp from it too :lol:
Seriously those turbos can't support that power. 700 rwhp is like 850 to the crank. Plus having two cylinders trying to spool both turbos you'll have massive lag. I'm thinking about going with a Whipple W140AX, AKA the 2.3L twin screw the cobra guys use to make 600 rwhp. I'm thinkin a mild 700 whp is easy :lol:

I may be a broke ass 18 year old kid, but getting 95% of my stuff sponsored helps A LOT!!!

Do you honestly thing your going to get 700 whp from it too :lol:Yes
Seriously those turbos can't support that power. 700 rwhp is like 850 to the crank. Plus having two cylinders trying to spool both turbos you'll have massive lag. You don't seem to know what I am actually doing with this build aspect of my project.
I may be a broke ass 18 year old kid, but getting 95% of my stuff sponsored helps ALOT!!!
Well, I am not 18 or broke and I won't be stopping this project until I acheive my goals.
I am curious as to your reasoning though, of why you feel the need to put out there that you are doing a $6,000. build.:poke:

as he said Rod... he's only 18.. no experience... I have full confidence in what you'll be putting down. I'm going for the same numbers, but on one big turbo (and nitrous for down low) damn s/c fanbois.... they'll learn the hard way lol

as he said Rod... he's only 18.. no experience... I have full confidence in what you'll be putting down. I'm going for the same numbers, but on one big turbo (and nitrous for down low) damn s/c fanbois.... they'll learn the hard way lol


But you still won't have traction :P

Cam Cam has no clue, is all.

Good luck, I finally finished my bottom end and got the car back on the road. I now want to do my top end, as soon as the locals here get their cams in so I can get a 2nd set of stockers and get a regrind.

Once my motor is the way I want it, I will start looking into power adders. I am still waiting to see a tuned and track tested turbo balt before I choose what I want. It will either be you or Dan probably.

Well, I am not 18 or broke and I won't be stopping this project until I acheive my goals.
I am curious as to your reasoning though, of why you feel the need to put out there that you are doing a $6,000. build.:poke:

Because, it will consist of around $6000 worth of parts/machining/labor

damn s/c fanbois.... they'll learn the hard way lol

:lol: turbo owns

:lol: turbo owns

You wish, you shall all see the insanity of a blower once my car is done ;)

It's superchargers vs. turbos...Who will win?!?!?! lol...All I care about, is that there will be some sick ass Cobalts out there. Why can't this be more of a friendly competition against each other and a whoopin on them damn imports? lol..Hell, I have a 300Z TT that wants to redeem himself after losin to me while his car wasn't runnin right. lol..I am applyin for a new job, and uh...lets just say...If this job comes through....My car will be getting built from bottom up FO SHO!! lol..

Keep up the good work on them builds guys, I support all ya'll and your super Cobalt building

lol... it's all in fun man. Maybe others are taking it seriously. but while I"m out on you due to turbo lag and traction from the instant tq of the s/c once it spools up... I just say goodbye. lol

and traction... who needs traction. that's what the slicks are for

Its nice to see others doin some engine builds now-a-days. My setup will be on the road first week of june. it would have been done by now if i didnt need money for my brothers wedding.

lol... it's all in fun man. Maybe others are taking it seriously. but while I"m out on you due to turbo lag and traction from the instant tq of the s/c once it spools up... I just say goodbye. lol

and traction... who needs traction. that's what the slicks are for

Yeah, those are cheap... and so are new axles and a high performance clutch :rolleyes:

Its all in good fun though, weather its turbo'd or super'd they will still be fast as fuck and destroy almost anything they come up against :cssNET:

You wish, you shall all see the insanity of a blower once my car is done ;)

I hope so man, I hope you prove me wrong. But I doubt it. Turbo cobalts are already running 11's 10's and 9's nippin at 8's and you guys complain about turbo lag, the S/C is taking forever........

You car will be sick no doubt there :twothumbs

I hope so man, I hope you prove me wrong. But I doubt it. Turbo cobalts are already running 11's 10's and 9's nippin at 8's and you guys complain about turbo lag, the S/C is taking forever........

You car will be sick no doubt there :twothumbs

They've been running high 7's for a couple years now, where have you been dude? :lol:

They've been running high 7's for a couple years now, where have you been dude? :lol:

There are no LSJ Cobalts running 7's on a SC.:nono: :nono:

Do you honestly thing your going to get 700 whp from it too :lol:
Seriously those turbos can't support that power. 700 rwhp is like 850 to the crank. Plus having two cylinders trying to spool both turbos you'll have massive lag. I'm thinking about going with a Whipple W140AX, AKA the 2.3L twin screw the cobra guys use to make 600 rwhp. I'm thinkin a mild 700 whp is easy :lol:

I may be a broke ass 18 year old kid, but getting 95% of my stuff sponsored helps A LOT!!!

*Hijacking thread*

Just to please/piss you off, we have decided to use the down time for the rwd conversion to address your concerns. ;)
So we are getting bigger turbos and a custom crankshaft good for 1,000bhp.:bye:

*Returning thread Paul* :)

goddamn man. if you can pm me some info on the crank. also on the rods since my build just took a turn to the higher boosted side of life

There are no LSJ Cobalts running 7's on a SC.:nono: :nono:

Read the post I quoted, he said TURBO cobalts :rolleyes:

BCP all the way. oh that turbo is huge. can't wait to tape this shit when its all said and done. paul is clearly the man.

06BlackG85SS do you have a stock block for sale? All I need is the bare block with sleeves pressed in already. I do not need pistons/rods/crank or anything just the block. Please PM me and let me know.

06BlackG85SS do you have a stock block for sale? All I need is the bare block with sleeves pressed in already. I do not need pistons/rods/crank or anything just the block. Please PM me and let me know.

Theres a block for sale in the parts thread right now I think.

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won't be til I pull the stock motor. My spare is the one I"m building up in the mean time. BTW selling the T-76 and swapping for a gt3071ar. Details to come soon

Dam Bro.. so where do you sleep? lol

sleep.... what the hell is sleep? lol

Depends on if it before or after the twin screw. I've already started rough mock up of a sheet metal intake for the W140AX :D

Between 06blackg85ss and Blown4banger I wonder who will have the SICKEST engine!!

When all is said and done would be nice to see a little track action:guns: who ever wins can take on Victoryredss!! Damn that would almost be Payperview material..

:lol: this is an awesome post. i can't wait to see all 3 of those cars. Especially when they start destroying cars on the street :D

:lol: this is an awesome post. i can't wait to see all 3 of those cars. Especially when they start destroying cars on the street :D

I agree 100%

LOL look at my sig I just can't decide what i want in life. I guess once you guys are done i can pick the better of the two hmmm...
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G'damn guys why all the fightin'! Look we are all here with the same common love and passion for the car! Some a little more extreme than others! Look I hope to be able to see all 3 of these cars, in person! Keep it up, and let's keep down the hostilities here!!

Awesome guys keep it up, I am workin' on my own little sumpthin' sumpthin' which I will reveal once I get all my parts!

Nice man Pssstttt.... But i think ur lizard wants a new tank.... thats what he told me... he wants one thats 4 feet long... and i think i have one thats that size...

later

thats what I need man..... gotta see what kind of funds are available.... have my build going on plus some side projects. Hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks the turbo will be up and running on the stock motor... than we see how much it can really take...

Glad to hear Paul. I'm trying my damndest to get a better job so that I can do a Turbo swap this winter. Matt's all about doing it, I just need to get the loot together. I'm just a lil worried about what might happen once we start pushin her a bit more ya know?? I think she'll do well, but won't know for sure till it's done.

I hear ya man. Once I get it tuned enough to drive it I'll probably take it out by matt to dial it in on the stock motor. and see what I can get out of it

OH BOY!!!! :nuts: MY BUILD WILL BE DONE SOONER THAN EXPECTED!!!! Yesterday was graduation night! Needless to say I'm walking around with close to $600 in my wallet and several checks at home. An extra $850 will move the build along nicely :D :D :D Hell all thats left to actually buy or get sponsored is the rods. Everything else is sponsored. I'm gettin pissed because Ferrea can't send me shit until I have my cams, and COMP is taking forever :cussing:

damn youngins...lol. no sponsorships on this build for me

Damn rich people... lol. I couldn't do my build without sponsorships

rich, who? dude I ain't rich, just helps when you can do your own work I guess

rich, who? dude I ain't rich, just helps when you can do your own work I guess

And make money tuning everyone elses shit too. lol.

rich, who? dude I ain't rich, just helps when you can do your own work I guess

What!?!? I'm paying nothing in labor for the entire build! I work at a damn engine building shop!!!!

And make money tuning everyone elses shit too. lol.

tis true,..... I guess it's you guys who are sponsoring my build...lol. just waiting for 3 more pcs to come in... then it's motor building time

yay for turbo!

BOOO!!!! :lol: In the end we will all still be rapin 50-trim srts all day long

theres a difference....some of the srt4's wont be built. But ya cant wait to see you guys rape ppl on the street.

well finally an update.
Finally got my head back from rippmods (they had it since January which is what has held me up) Of course they did absolutely nothing with it, so cams are going out this week to get ground and new valvetrain is being ordered.
New smaller turbo setup will be in next week and hopefully in the car by the end of next week. Going with a T-3 super 60 for starters on the stock motor to figure out the tuning and should net me @375whp or so. Going to be a triple intercooled setup using the factory intake manifold with laminova's, and front mount air to air setup, and of course my favorite thing, methanol injection.
MOney has been going to buying a new place to live next year so I've had to take my time with this project, but all parts are pretty much ready for the new motor, and that should be built within the month once the cams are back.

Stay tuned for more updates next week.

sick... I cant wait to see when its finished.... and the vids!

I still think someone wants a tank...

later

well finally an update.
Finally got my head back from rippmods (they had it since January which is what has held me up) Of course they did absolutely nothing with it, so cams are going out this week to get ground and new valvetrain is being ordered.
New smaller turbo setup will be in next week and hopefully in the car by the end of next week. Going with a T-3 super 60 for starters on the stock motor to figure out the tuning and should net me @375whp or so. Going to be a triple intercooled setup using the factory intake manifold with laminova's, and front mount air to air setup, and of course my favorite thing, methanol injection.
MOney has been going to buying a new place to live next year so I've had to take my time with this project, but all parts are pretty much ready for the new motor, and that should be built within the month once the cams are back.

Stay tuned for more updates next week.

DAYUM!?!? Ambient air temp IAT2 anyone? :lol: Why not spray a 50 shot while your at it for some EXTRA EXTRA cooling :lol:

once the new motor is in, of course there will be nitrous... lol

Thats going to be one bad motor

once the new motor is in, of course there will be nitrous... lol

....I was joking :lol:

very nice pics, i love that lizard

geeze I cant imagine if u added nitrous.. nitrous on my car with the wimpy supercharger is already insane

geeze I cant imagine if u added nitrous.. nitrous on my car with the wimpy supercharger is already insane

What size shot are you runnin?

speaking of one bad motor...it starts tomorrow.

bump for Godfather of Cobalts...Mr. BCP.

TURBO!!!!!!! someone has to tape this. paul has a camcorder..this must go down.. BCP unleashing the turbo

hopefully be up and running very late friday night, and out roaming the streets being tuned on saturday.... Can't start out on it til @5pm today due to HIN tomorrow and Kenny is working like a madman on Donna's car to get it setup for the show.
I"ll be working with Matt all night on it and hopefully all goes well. Stay tuned for pics and vids hopefully tomorrow

Doing to be scary.

Good luck paul. If something goes wrong im sure i'll be able to hear you scream from my apartment.

lol yeah you will... but hopefully it goes smoothly... I hope.... well if it's up and running tonight, I"ll make sure you def know... do one of my flyby's late at night.

lol yeah you will... but hopefully it goes smoothly... I hope.... well if it's up and running tonight, I"ll make sure you def know... do one of my flyby's late at night.

incorrect. I want no WOT's for a couple days till you get a chance to monitor things

Less talky, more buildy! We wanna see results man.

head is being done by the guys that did jason whitfields cobalt... close to the same spec and setup too...

:eek: nice.. cant wait to see you owning all the GTOs @ E-Town. :lol:

well cylinder head build got f'd up by ripp, they lost it for 5 months or so, so a friend of mine is gonna do it next month. just finished mangling my spare S/C to make the intake manifold. Not completely done, but good enough to get everything working. all the inside part is gutted and now the intake portion is no longer a V but a huge square. I'll port this s/c probably next week or sunday, but getting some rest for now cause it's gonna be a long night.

I hope all goes well for you Paul. :thumb:

GL man.. cant wait to see it.

What size shot are you runnin?

im running the 55shot right now but im gunna put in the 75 jetting when i get my parts in

well lets bring this one back from the dead lol.



car is still alive making good power. and about to be overhauled (well whenever I move lol)

few things changed so here is the update on the parts list so everyone stops pm me (not premi anymore so my mailbox fills up fast)

ok here we go:

fuel mods:
walbro gss342 255lph high pressure fuel pump
racetronix 79lb/hr injectors
the rest:
Hahn Racecraft Intake manifold
Hahn Racecraft 4.5" core FMIC
Hahn Racecraft BOV
Hahn Racecraft 3" polished stainless steel exhaust
custom IC piping (original design by cobalt-addiction, slightly modified for a bigger maf tube by me)
Ebay turbo mani (recommend Vulcan Turbo's though, much nicer)
Custom Downpipe (cobalt-addiction)
TiAl 38mm external dumped wastegate
Turbosmart single stage MBC
Turbonetics HiFi T3/T4 60-1 ceramic ball bearing, big shaft, 360 thrust bearing
K-sport coilovers
B&M shifter
AEM Wideband
aeroforce Interceptor
Cobalt-Addiction dual gauge pillar
ZZP Billet poly engine mount
Intense-Racing Trans mount inserts
Exedy Hyper Single Disk
Drive Shaft Shop Level II axles

and that's pretty much it for now....

hmmm... you need return style fueling.

so far............. nope been fine the way it is apparently... been on the turbo setup over a year now... over 400whp for months... she's still holding together some how.

Nice.. Still no information on Matt's top secret Blue Beast build. He won't tell me squat. LOL! Ah well..Bout to have another project though. 91 Camaro RS with a TPI 350 swap already done. Thinking about an LS1 or LS2 swap. Once the TBSS is done of course. LOL!!