Yeah, that was bracket racing and I was racing a Z4. I don't know what he was dialed in at, but he definitely had the start before me. But yeah, I won and moved on to the next round. I was happy with the 12.9, but if I had slicks I'd be low 12's, maybe even flirting with 11's...

 

Yeah slicks would have definitely helped you out man. Still, nice win bro.

 

Anyways to clear up this whole BOV deal here is what you do to get rid of all flutter.....

1: Block off plate
2: Delete vac box
3: Connect vac signal line from BOV directly to manifold
4: Run a small tube from the vac solenoid port on the 9 o'clock port to the 12 o'clock port
5: go drive your car without the annoying flutter.

 

That thing sounds nice Tyler! You and Drew are holdin it down for the 4 doors! lol

 

Well there's a catch. Instead of just mailing a 2871 and letting me send back the 2860, he wants me to send the 2860, then he says in 2 weeks he'll have time to mod it to a 2871.

Now I'm at the end of my 3rd week (ends tomorrow) of being in a rental at $200 a week. I explained this to him. Didn't make any difference. Just say it's 3 more weeks minimum in this rental Aveo, that's $1200.

OK, let's add it up:

$1250 for the 2860 including core charge, but not including the DP he said was all my setup needed to make the 2860 work (I would have bought it anyway).

$1250 for installation and tune.

Option 1: At this point, with one more week in the rental car, I could have the stocker re-installed and re-tuned, another $1250, then try to get back my $1250 for the turbo by going through the credit card company. Total for a good tune: $3050 if I get my money back, $4300 if not. If I take this option, I'll post the dyno here. I'm interested in seeing what "improvement" the 2860 mod gave with everything else the same. And if I fail to recover my money, I'll bring it to a meet somewhere with a sledge and let you take turns at it for $1. I might get something back out of it that way. But this incredible waste is nothing compared to option 2.

Option 2: I wait for Bryan to work on this specific 2860, I don't know why I have to wait, but he says that's all he's offering, so just say I wait. That's $1200 in Aveo rental, $1250 for the original 2860 turned into a 2871, $1250 for the original install and tune, $1250 for a re-install and revised tune, and oh yeah, one of the reasons I went for the 2860 was so I wouldn't have to spring for a new clutch and install, so I have to get that, depending on clutch and labor, that's somewhere from $1000 to $2000, call it $1500 for the sake of estimating. $6450, and that's not even counting an external BOV, plus I'll have to get Nick to cut and TIG weld the hotside pipe to take the BOV. Nearly $7k. For a turbo that no buyer so far is proud enough of to post figures on for a DD 93 tune. Throw another $4k at this project, now that sounds like a freakin' bargain to me.

I could "save" rental time by having the stocker reinstalled in the meantime and retune for it so I have my car back to drive, then swap to the 2871 when it shows up. But that would cost another $1250, instead of $600 for rental. However if it takes longer than 3 weeks for me to drive away in my Cobalt, it might be cheaper. Hate having to guess.

Of course by posting this info, y'all won't need rocket science to know how incredibly stupid I was for picking the wrong turbo. But I'm not posting this to make myself look stupid, which I clearly was. I'm doing it just in case any of you are still thinking about this 2860. Since I'm dumb as a box of rocks, you'd have to be DUMBER than a box of rocks to go for it.

 

I think my stock k04 runs just fine. I think I'll stick with it for a lil' bit.

 

You should be able to swap the stocker back on in one day and reload the tune you used before with it and be on your way.

Send Brian your turbo to get a 2871, then wait till a date in time when you can get your BOV figured out and put the turbo on.

2nd time of putting the turbo on should take half the time.

I know your frustrated and all but it could be worse, Brian could have not exchanged the turbo at all.

Most companies would not have exchanged a turbo due to not performing on your car like you expected, regardless of what the turbo is rated for.

Once you install it its yours unless you send it in for warranty.

They would have offered for you to send it in to make sure it was was mechanically sound, checked it for you and sent it back (warranty).

Then when you installed it the 2nd time and still didn't get your results they would have blamed it on tuning or install.

You would be stuck with the turbo.

 

There ya go!

I hope you are not saying this was in any way a good product or a good deal or good customer relations.

 

Then why are you getting a 2871?

There are no dyno's of the 2871 (at least not posted).

Its made by the same guy & company that you got your 2860 off of.

So your pissed at the guy & company, say his products, deals and customer relations are crap, but you want to run one of his 2871's

Sure I would be pissed about the 2860, but I sure as hell would be relieved that he was making it right and I was gettinga turbo upgrade for free and not stuck with a paper weight.

 

A) I hope they're not the same,

B) help me out here, post the URL for the pull, I would love to know in advance this time if it's worth it,

C) I didn't get anything FREE to the best of my knowledge, least of all not the $, 'cause I'm a RN and I clean up crap, vomit, snot, urine and blood to earn that.

 

So your saying the 2860 exchange for a 2871 was not a straight up trade in?

How much did you have to come out of pocket for the upgrade, the difference of what it would normally cost?

I don't understand why your in a rental car?

Are you saying you pulled the 2860 off, got a rental car because you thought you would have a 2871 in 2 weeks? But then an additional 3 weeks was added, making it 5 weeks now?

Yeah I would be mad also.

Was there a good reason, like waiting for more 2871 wheels to come in? (At one time he was having trouble keeping them stocked)

 

Which other companies are you referring to? The only time we fell short of the customer's goals with our 252 kit, we exchanged the 252 for a 256, installed the new turbo, and dyno tuned the new setup all at no charge to the customer.

 

You like a whole lotta meaningless questions, don't you? Let me sum it up for you:

$1250, including core charge, is too much to pay for a turbo repeatedly advertised at 350 hp, that only makes 313 after 17 pulls and all the tweakage in the universe. In fact, I think we're shortly gonna see just how it stacks up against the stocker right here in this thread.

And it looks like you have a major obsession defending this product. If it's so great, do YOU wanna take it off my hands for $1250?

 

My statement wasn't made for a chance for you to put a plug in about how good your customer service was, but rather how the majority of companies operate.

If you really want, I can link to many threads or posts about how terrible ZZP customer service has been on cheaper parts then turbo's. So please lets not go there.

Personally I have not had any bad service with ZZP other then having to re-chase threads (burrs on threads) on the 02 bung of my ZZP catted DP and fixing a dent on my MAF relocate that happened during shipping.

Since they were minor incidents that could be fixed by myself, I didn't see a need to come on the forums and post about it to make you guys look bad or waste your time for such a easy fix.

Lets see what happened with my BNR turbo upgrade thus far, nothing, straight bolt on out of the box and supplied with everything needed to make it work.

Also, I was the 2nd one to have the turbo upgrade on the Delta and running, first on a HHR SS and it has worked flawlessly thus far.

I have not heard of one of the 2871's owners having a problem with there turbo or Brian @ BNR.

I visited Brian at his shop personally and was shown his operation. He is a very knowledgeble guy and was very helpful and friendly.

 

Because I have a BNR 2871 on and running perfect, I'm not the one that needs a turbo upgrade.

If you don't have a clue from Tglems run (on street tires) about how well the BNR 2871 is so far, then I don't know what to tell you, wait for ZZP's turbo or stay with your stocker.

 

OK so what did we learn from this ?

Buy another K04 for the core exchange because you cant trust anyone in this game. It just needs to be a OEM factory K04 for the LNF , the wheel doesn't even need to spin. It can be a toasted one.

I was going to go with the BNR setup until he wouldn't just sell me one of the ones laying around with no core exchange.

Immediately I knew to avoid that head ache .. Same reason I have a second ECU sitting in my safe..

Long story short get a core to send him if you are going this route or make sure you have another vehicle laying around for down time..

But that should be the most common sense thing to do... If this is your only source for getting from point A to B ..

Leave it alone keep the warranty and buy a beater instead of mods.

SO you can actually mod your car without worrying about the smallest of things leaving you stranded ..

I mean when you work on it alone and you need to run to the parts store for something little what you do ? Put it all back together with out the part u need and then drive it home to tear it all down to fix it ?

Some people need to ask them selves the more serious question of "Am I ready for the Modding scene?" or " Do I have the resources to get this to work if I can't"?

Some screw drivers and jack stands aren't going to get you very far. Just saying I understand your frustrations but still it's not the vendors fault.

1200 dollars for a rental Aveo ?

I could hop on craigslist and buy me a car for that kind of money and it would probably last longer than your rental period.

Just saying man . not sure it was thought threw very well..

 

I'm not sure why you are now bringing up records, o2 bugs, and maf relocates, and then telling me not to go where we already were. You made a specific statement about what "most companies" would do. Since there are not many companies building turbo upgrades for the lnf, I didn't feel that it would be out of line to state how we have handled a similar situation, in a case where the customer was looking for more than we advertise the turbo for to begin with.

 

The reason I bring up those other things Matt is, **** happens for manufacturers and vendors.

The guy is making good on replacing the turbo, but to me it looks like Pbass is pissed because its not happening fast enough for him.

Do we know if Brian had any 2871 wheels in stock, the compressor covers, etc? At one time he had to have the 2871 wheels made to order for the K04 upgrade.

When talking with Brian @ BNR at his shop to pick my turbo up, I never remember him personally saying 360 whp for the 2860, I remember 360 hp and the 2871
400 hp, not whp.

That is specifically why I went with a 2871 after I got down there, if you were to look back at my posts I was getting a 2860 originally with a forge BPV.

I'm not saying he didn't tell them that, but he didn't tell me those WHP figures to my face at his shop.

Bottom line is the vendor is replacing the product, and replaced Cubaniche's also.

 

I'm not sure these comments are helping this case but if you want to reply to my question in your Best mod ever thread that would be great.

 

As I say, we will soon have a pull to look at of the stocker to compare the 2860 pull to. And if it's no better than stock, then so much for "well it might be he was talking about another kind of HP" etc.

 

may be a stupid question but how / were is the vac box

 

The vacuum tank is buried under the intake manifold. The line leaves the manifold, goes down to the tank and returns to the boost solenoid.

 

Guys can we all get along?

 

I'm still not following you. I didn't say anything about BNR. I have no idea what they would do in that situation or why. I simply responded to your statement about what "most companies" would do. I stated what we did in a situation similar to what you mentioned, and that was the end of my post.

 

Responded.