A little off topic (again), but we were dynoing a car with the Crazy Steve IC yesterday. Unfortunately, it does not perform. By comparison, here are 3 different setups dyno'd under very similar conditions and the IAT2s-

45-105 pulls on 60-65 degree ambient temps, same dyno, same fan, same coolant temps
stock IC start 77 finish 95
CS IC start 81 finish 100
Hahn IC start 66 finish 71

This data is based on averages over multiple pulls. Just thought I'd share...

Edit- The ZZP race IC stayed within 3 degrees of ambient and never changed more than 1 degree on any pull with the stock turbo. However, I didn't include this data because the boost was lower since I had a ported head on the car.

 

Wow. You got the Crazy Steve IC to fit, huh?

 

It wasn't our car. The customer said it bolted right up, though. Must be hit or miss.

 

On my last dyno run, my IAT's on our street intercooler were within 3* as well. It all depends on what cores you use. The Crazy steve, I am sure uses a lesser core than a Garret core.

 

I wouldn't quote those numbers as a comparison since you didn't test the same as we did.

 

i think on his last 2 dyno pulls we did 3000rpm to 7000rpm. about 65-70 degrees outside.

 

I'm not quoting your numbers, I am quoting the numbers from my HPT logs IAT1 was 81*, IAT2 at the end of the pull was 84*. Thats 3*.

 

You guys should just keep the e-vendor battles on hold untill you both have product thats product ready and let the consumers decided.

looking forward to see what ZZP has in store in the near future, hopefully its the NEAR future and not years away.

 

Are there any issues or complications with running 2 cores welded together in the street model? Are there positives to doing so?

 

Well, im not entirely sure what you mean by that, this was brought up by someone completely unrelated to WERKS, because he happened upon our store. Both intercoolers are ready to go, and both are currently being tested. The link in the OP is to our store, it was NOT posted by anyone affiliated with werks, we just happen to be on this forum, and though we would answer the questions at hand.

There are no issues with it thus far. I have that one on my personal car. Besides it being obvious that its 2 cores, there are no issues. I am going to present the thought that we should machine the welds down so it looks better. The positives to doing so are we gain about an inch in height, thus a bit more volume.

 

yep the only members of performance autowerks on this forum are mkriebs, myself and werks(dave) but he has yet to post as hes awaiting his vendor card. matt and i have been on this forum for a long time before performance autowerks even was going to do something with this car. this thread and another thread were both start by forum members completely unrelated to us or dont know a thing about us. so its perfectly fine that we come in here and answer questions and inform much like matt m does in a lot of other threads about zzp products.

im not trying to step on ANYONES toes here by saying this. ive bought a few things from zzp so they are good guys and im not saying this to be a dick...only to contridict the point brough up above. zoomer is the only member from zzp that i see with orange lettering by his name classifying him as a vendor. we all know matt and ryan are part of zzp BUT they dont have the orange lettering. so technically that puts them in the same boat as mkriebs and myself. again im just curious about this im not trying to **** anyone off.

now northvibe..... theres no issues with running 2 cores as we have a nice fat weld bead in there for strength. we designed our end tanks around having to run 2 cores aswell. we just wanted to give an optimal size and garret didnt make a single core that we were happy with. so far mkriebs has been running this thing with zero issues.

 

IAT 1 does not mean ambient, though. IAT2 is typically less than IAT1 on my car.

70 degrees out and 84 degree iat2 would mean 14 degrees between ambient and IAT2, not 3.

 

So, lets compare IAT1 and 2. Then we can forget about intakes and all that junk. I bet that IAT 2 is not less at the end of a 7000 rpm pull. And remember, my core is about half the size of the race core.

 

Yes, it is less. On my car, running the stock turbo and our race IC, the IAT would not move even 1 degree from 2800-7000 RPM, and this is on a loaded Mustang dyno.

Don't get the wrong idea here. I'm not knocking your IC. From your numbers, it appears that it works well- much better than the stock IC or the Crazy Steve. I just didn't want you to throw numbers in there to compare for your street IC to our race IC which is even larger than your race IC. I wasn't saying that to be a dick. I just knew better than to believe that your street ic and our race ic would have the same temp drop. Now that you have provided more info, it makes more sense, and we can move on.

 

Good looking out!

I agree, there is not comparison between the street and your (or ours, for that matter) race IC. I misunderstood what numbers you were talking about, for some reason I was read ambient, and thought IAT. DER!

So yes, 14* over ambient. Still not bad for a small core IC.

 

No, that's not bad at all. If you are running over 20psi, then pre-intercooler charge temps are probably close to 300 degrees.

 

Def! I still cant believe my truck doesn't have an IC... need to get one put on before I put the 60mm on there, LOL.

 

Yes, you are sure. It's not about who started anything. It is a battle, and everyone, including yourself, knows what he is talking about. I don't think it's a bad thing. Act how you want.

 

^^^theirs no issues anymore so lets try to keep it that way.

 

I should have been more specific, I did not understand what he meant by "let's wait until you both have product that is product read." I am fairly certain both Werks and ZZP have products that are on the shelf and ready.