The old original Muscle cars have way more history to them than any of our FI 4cyls...They have been doing this for what 20+years now?..

 

This thread got much longer than expected I think

 

^^^THIS

I live in a city of (wait for it) a million... (and this isn't like a so-cal million, where you can keep driving for virtually hours, and not leave populated areas... check if on google maps...)

Per capita, this is a pretty wealthy city - there's alot of oil money herer;
Do any of you have any idea of how infrequently I see SS/TC's?

they are a very rare sight indeed...

I know of two guys (seen one of them) who live outside of the city with 2009's, I know of one girl in the city (seen her car once) with a 2010, and know of one guy in the city who has an '08 - but I've never seen it yet;
those are all because there is a little bit of an informal Cobalt group that posts here... and we try to hang out on occasion. Speaking as a regular, I am the only TC.

On the average week, I might see one, but that's because we drive to work at about the same time so if I keep a keen eye out I spy him turning to work...

I took a 3,400 mile road trip this past spring... you know how many TC's I saw?

not a single one.

nuff said?

although I agree with the sentiment, I don't agree with the execution.

I don't hold hope of it being worth anything - but suspect that after it hits rock bottom value at about 2021, that it will have already started to escalate in value, or already be holding a number...

but I also bought this car knowing full well that no matter how good of a deal I got, it was going to be worth less in a year, and continue to decline in value for roughly eleven more years...

I also know that in the grand scheme of things, it's just a compact car... and it was intended to be driven - so I drive mine... and thoroughly enjoy this, which also happens to be my first *new* car...

does any of this change the fact that this is in fact a rare car?

not for one second...

I'm personally wondering how few will survive the usual 12 year depreciation run...

 

IDK, I still say it being a limited production trim suits it better. Rare means it's hard to find/get. It's hard to argue the case when you see people all over the internet selling them dirt cheap..and the fact you can still get them brand new..

The people calling them "rare" do you consider that a good thing in it's current state?.

Bored..

 

that's where the internet changed everything.

now, no matter how rare the item, you're able to find it...

this has brutally affected lesser collectibles such as comics, to the point where a new grading system was introduced to try to stabilize things - but still because of the internet you can buy golden or silver age comics far below book value, just because the internet brings them to the masses...

I know that around july, or early august, I did an online search, and in Canada at least, there were zero SS/TC's available... they were all sold out ~ which is a far cry from a year prior - when they were languishing on dealers lots well into the next model year...

does that mean I couldn't find one? - no, but I had to look to online classifieds to look at used ones from that point...

With a model year run just barely eclipsing three thousand, believe me, they are rare.

 

If they really are this rare how do you think the SS/TC direct aftermarket will be in the next 5-10 years. After they sell for 7-10K and all the teenagers destroy them?

They don't make economy cars to last 40 years and still be in good shape.

 

TCs are rare period. They are getting harder to find for sale as well. I see guys in the *For Sale* section WANTING THEM now. Does that mean you can't get one under 16K? Of course not..they're still relatively cheap. Give it 5 yrs....you won't be able to touch one in GOOD condition for under 10K..10 yrs...probably 15K? All this doesn't really matter in my case...this car is really one of a kind and simply awsome to drive. It's a keeper for me.

 

I'm done with the thread...

 

Hey..we're just fu$$kn around here

Like I said $$$ means squat in this case. They're RARE baby...can't argue that fact. 6K TOTAL produced. Does that make them desireable or collectable?..not at this point in time.
Don't care...that was my message.

 

What happens when/if we change to a renewable fuel source such as hydrogen and gas is no longer readily available for a cheap price? Will these cars still hold value then in 50 years...

Besides id rather sell my car and use that money towards real investments that in the long term will get a higher return than keeping a old car around and hope that it appreciates in value.

So if u use ur 8g valuation on ur car. Let's then invest that money in the equity markets making on average 10% for 40 years means ur investment would be worth $354,074.04 in 2051. Will ur cobalt be worth that in the future... Doubt it.

 

Whether it becomes rare and desired or not. Who knows. All I can tell you is my GMS1 09 SS/TC is an amazing driving, riding and handling vehicle. The performance/fuel economy/price is hard to beat. I love my car and will drive it God willing as long as I'm healthy and don't get into a crash.

Unfortunately, people who don't know about the SSTC nor have driven one seem to criticize our vehicles way too much. There's too much hate on them that you DON'T see with SRT4's/WRX's/GTI's...just an observation. So no, I don't think it'll be worth a ton of money in the future.

 

What date is yours? Mine is 05/08.

 

All you say is very true...but no amount of $$ can take the place of driving a car you love EVERY SINGLE DAY.

 

Bam, '91 and '92 Dodge Spirit R/T. Less than 1,500 produced between the 2 years. It is now 2011 and I have yet to see one of those going for high dollars....

 

I think they made 2K Vr-4's. I want to pick up one myself...Sorta hard to find, though not expensive.

 

that's because even when they came out noone liked them lol

at least the cobalt has a decent following.

 

regardless i dont see the cobalt to me something worth hanging on to.. i mean its a fun little car right now but ill just drive it till its death most likely or at least 120k miles or so before i part ways with it cuz its almost payed off and got 24k miles.

 

like i stated before .. i doubt very much anyone considered hanging onto a GMC sonoma or GMC Jimmy just because it was AWD and had a turbo V6 but look at them now... worth a good penny and hard to find.. just saying... with gas going up to $5 a gallon and everything gas powered going to **** it wouldn't suprise me if gasoline powered cars became more rare in general.

 

Look up Jay Leno's take on alternative fuels. He says that as the common person moves to electric, hybrid, and hydrogen or other cars then there will be more gas reserves for our petrol heads.

 

Wonder why?

 

I think that the SS/TC is pretty rare. I've only seen three TC's, one of them being local. When I was looking for a TC to buy, it had to be a 2010 and fully loaded. The only thing I was on the fence about was the color, which I was torn between Summit White and Crystal Red Metallic Tintcoat. I really like both colors but I went with Crystal Red because it was only available for 2010 which separates me a little more from the already limited crowd. Also, i figured maybe somewhere down the line my car might be worth something because of the color too. I don't plan on geting rid of my car, unless somehow it gets totalled, which I don't wish on anyone. These cars are great and I baby it way too much lol. We'll see what happens with them in the future but for now we can only hope they amount to something.

 

I would call SS/TCs rare, although I can think of 6 or 7 in my area. I think only time will tell if it's going to turn into a desirable car later in it's life.

That's all I have to say on that.

 

To be point blank here, there is only 1 way these will be worth more than you paid in 20+ years:

If people 20+ years from now want what they drove as "kids" (refering to your younger age) you will be willing to spend $ to get it. This is what makes a car have a higher value in the future (at least the way I see it).

So 20 + years from now, lets all come back and ask then "who wants a SS/TC"? If a lot do, then be prepared to pay, as ~10,000 units produced, many get smashed up, there will not be many left.

We the consumer drive the future prices and rareness of a said car. Pure economics.

 

u speak the truth aaron basically why old muscle cars hold their value

 

Exactly that is the only reason why they are as much as they are. Those that buy the old muscle cars now, want a "piece" of their childhood, and are willing to pay for it. If there are not many left, or they didnt produce many, then it will cause the value to increase even more, as there are less available.