murd

I've got a list of ZZP parts. I'm looking for recommendations for their use in my build. I have a stage 2 BNR 2871 turbo. Vince recommended it to me as a good turbo. My goal is 400hp and over 400lb of torque and peak power to 7000rpm. If you recommend something else please specify why. Thanks,

Murd


Here is the list:

3 inch Stainless steel LNF cat back exhaust
VIN :
Model:Whisper resonator $639.99 $639.99

Stainless brake lines for your SS and Redline
VIN :
Year of your car:08+ Cobalt SS $119.99 $119.99

Rotated rear trans mount Gen 2
VIN :
Option 1:My car is not lowered $99.99 $99.99

Rotated front trans mount Gen 2
VIN :
Option 1:My car is not lowered $99.99 $99.99

LNF head
VIN :
Option 1:With rockers and lash adjusters
Option 2:none selected
Option 3:none selected $550.00 $550.00

ARP flywheel bolts
VIN :
Model:2.0L $34.49 $34.49

ZZP Control arms for Cobalt/Redline
VIN :
Color:Black $499.99 $499.99

LNF Stainless downpipe
VIN :
Model:Spun metal cat
Option 1:Both Front and Rear Gaskets
Option 2:none selected
Option 3:Prepaid Return Label - Stock Cat $317.99 $317.99

LNF Stage 1 cams
VIN : $699.99 $699.99

AEM LNF AEM cold air intake
VIN : $324.99 $324.99

ARP headstuds for Ecotec
VIN : $134.99 $134.99

Supertech 78lb valve spring kit
VIN : $349.99 $349.99

Intercooler package for LNF
VIN :
Option 1:BOV flange, TiAL BOV, MAF reloca
Option 2:stock turbo $1,129.99 $1,129.99

Fidanza aluminum flywheel
VIN :
Model:2.0L LNF
Option 1:no thanks $309.99 $309.99

ZZP Stage clutches
VIN :
Model:Stage 4 plus
Option 1:Upgraded Throwout bearing $894.99 $894.99
Sub Total: $6,207.36



Also I would like to know what is a waste of money. Thanks again guys.

DirtyBalt09

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Get stage 4 zzp clutch matt said his has held the efr turbo just fine. 4+ might be small over kill. I'd say ditch the control arms and lightweight flywheel also .Those 2 IMO are just wasted money. However you go though sounds like you'll have one heck of a fun car

PrincessTurbo

I would like to see a fully bolted e85 dyno vs the BNR on crude.


Maybe with an E blend on the BNR it will see some bigger gains ..

07SSYellow

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ide say ditch the AEM intake and go with the K&N SRI, has been tested as a better intake for our cars, and ide look at the Modern Performance catback instead of ZZP, MPX's sounds better IMO, other than that your car is gonna be a beast bro good luck with the build

094doorSS/TC

Make sure you sent cash aside for a new trans, i'am sure you will blow up your's within a year.

murd

I've researched intensively into the transmission and a fix. Doesn't appear to be any worth the money. Options are a Quaife or a rebuilt automatic. My conclusion is to instead replace the transmission when it blows. Luckily its a toy and not the daily driver.

09BlueBaltSS

Boys got some cash to spend. Id say sell the BNR and buy ZZP's EFR when it comes out. Then remove the head, cams and the bov/relocate option from the intercooler kit and save like $1600 while easily making the power you want. So far the the bnr2871 has not lived up to the hype. I think people are having a hard time hitting 400 at the crank much less at the wheels. Just throwing it out there

Supercharged Guy

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I'd def. get a better intake then the AEM, I have the AEM and don't really like it

It doesn't have a breacket on the bottom of the intake by the filter which makes it rattle around a little down there

I'd get the K&N SRI, a lot of people like it, quality is very good

I have ZZP's catback and I like the sound of it a lot, has a very nice rumble to it

Also, I wouldn't get the BNR 2871 because I also agree not living up to hype and there are better turbo options that are coming out very soon :crosses fingers:

PrincessTurbo

For what you are putting into it that BNR isn't going to float your boat as much

Fastgti69

why not just get the full stage 3 kit from ZZP?


Ohh you already have the BNR... sell it maybe? make it a little easier than putting the pieces together and just get a full kit.

HHRSSouth

There has been no results of the BNR 2871 posted yet.

As far as I know I'm the only one who has dyno'd a BNR 2871 on a Delta.

Tglem ran a 117 trap on his with street tires.

and

Drewbroo has seemed impressed so far

Op Vince should have some really good base files for you, with or without MAF relocate, because he has tuned me (BNR 2871) for both (just finishing fine tuning the MAF relocate setup).

I have not had 1 problem with my BNR 2871 set up thus far besides no traction and huge grins

09BlueBaltSS

Well the OP is looking to get 400 hp and tq out of this turbo and make power all the way to 7k. Id assume he means wheel as most people dont speak of powers #'s at the flywheel. You said yourself that people shouldnt expect to make 400whp on pump. The people that are getting close to 400(butt dyno numbers) seem to be running either meth or an E blend. Is this an option for the OP? IDK Either way is seems that the 2871 is going to be pegged out making just a tad over 400whp with the help either meth or E or both. For around the money(still awaiting actual prices) he will spend on the BNR and extra parts needed to run it he can get the EFR thats capable of quite a bit more hp and has a hell of a lot more technology put into it. Have you posted your sheet HHR? Last I read you were holding it close to your chest.

Even if the EFR turns out to be priced higher than some of us are expecting theres still the 252, 256 and 259 options that ZZP is working on that will be capable of more than the 2871 is. I think that the BNR is a great option for the people wanting to be in the 360-390whp area without having to go past the use of simple boltons. Hell I was all over it when it first came to be. Now I see other options on the horizon and im just sitting back for results. I guess pretty much what im getting at is in my mind if im going to do a turbo swap then im going to get a turbo thats not going to be approaching its limits in an attempt to make the power im looking for.

HHRSSouth

400 hp to me is crank, also the bigger you start going turbo wise generally makes less torque then hp while the opposite is true for smaller turbos (as we know from our K04).

I have a total of $1500 in BNR 2871, Tial Q BOV (inc. flange welded on) and re-tune. I have no idea why everyone thinks its expensive.

To be honest I'm anxious to see what ZZP prices those EFR turbos at, having a custom casting made and stuffing EFR guts into it isn't going to be cheap.

Still should be a great option for those wanting 450whp + though.

09BlueBaltSS

400 crank would put you in the area of 360whp. I dont think thats what the OP meant. Waiting on response from murd I guess

HHRSSouth

True if he wants 390 whp or higher, he would either have to run E85 blend on a BNR 2871 or go bigger turbo.

I would say that a good tune and full bolt on's on pump gas is gonna be around 370-380 whp. Some lower, some higher depending on who's tuning it and how aggressive they get.

But I'm gonna sit back and wait for dyno results from others BNR 2871 on E-blend, I'm very curious.

I think alot of people were thinking the BNR bolt on 2871 was going to be some amazing bolt on turbo with gobs of power, which I was never thought.

I've said from the get go around 400 crank 370 whp out of it, with more power from mid to red line (7k for me), while maintaining a quick spool up.

Turbo'dSS

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Matt stated in their thread it shouldnt be over $2000. which imo is worth it. direct bolt in, tune, and good to go. of course youd wanna rebuild the engine and get a beefy clutch to hold the power but still ill gladly pay $2000 for a turbo thats direct bolt on and has a 500hp+ capability.

HHRSSouth

I hope your right, because it would definetly make a nice upgrade turbo for those wanting to build there engines up/transmission and run that much horsepower.

I'll believe it when I see the EFR/hybrid listed and selling for that much.

I just hope there isn't some kind of group buy involved in getting a good price to get the turbo launched.

I mean it would be worth it, but we know how great GB's go on expensive items here.

As far as these other people that think there going to buy a EFR/hybrid turbo bolt it on and make 450-500 whp without having to do any other major mods either during install will find out after they break something, they are in for a rude wake up call.

Turbo'dSS

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yeah im keeping my fingers crossed too! the only way a group buy would work for an expensive item like this is if its around tax return time. lol! Yeah i thought about bolting it on and keeping the power tuned down untill i build the engine and tranny, but whats the fun in that?? lol!! i figure ill prolly build the car around christmas, and get it ready to buy the turbo around tax time.

elecblue06

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umm he's doing cams, ported head and such.. + bnr 2871.. zzp was able to pull 400 whp o stock turbo with all that stuff (plus e85) but i think he should eb able to do it

HHRSSouth

I'm anxious to see the E-blend results on the BNR 2871 to be honest.

I'm kind of stuck with 93 Octane in my area till they get this E85 station put in my way

elecblue06

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yea i'm looking forward to seeing some numbers.. **** at this rate i'll probably put down numbers before half the people that have it lol

vahdyx

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ZZP should be releasing their transmission soon.

drewbroo

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I hit 393/427 on a mustang dyno at 2500 ft with the BNR 2871. I have no idea where you are getting your information since I am the first one to release actual dyno numbers of the BNR 2871.

HHRSSouth

Haha, I said this early.

I said I was the first to dyno and didn't release numbers, so how could he assume it was a dog.

There was no information out about it, other then DDM works 371 whp on a RWD Kappa or

Tglems 117 mph trap on street tires.

Post #11 & #15, I actually said if someone wanted more then 390whp they would need E-blend

murd

I considered the EFR turbo upgrade but I don't want to wait. I live over 4000ft and winter returns quickly in Canada. I will make a turbo swap in the future for a bigger turbo likely the EFR6758 or 7064. In the meantime I want a platform that will afford me the performance and flexibility. The point of the thread is for the forum to help me decide what to buy for parts based off of user experience. Please tell me what to buy.

I have two questions for HHRSSouth and drewbroo

1. What mods do you have.
2. What is the boost pressure at 6000, 6500, and 7000rpm.

I would like to know so that I can identify where in the compressor map you are operating. I believe that this turbo has yet to be squeezed for an additional 10 - 20 hp.

My goals are for whp.

For all other users tell me what to buy. My checkbook is open.

I would like to know more about this ZZP transmission.

For those of you who don't know, borg warner has a program called Matchbot. I advise that every serious cobalt owner have fun using the program. This program is the reason why I haven't gone big turbo yet. The smaller turbo 2871 is more of a street turbo while the big EFR turbo will be a high speed freeway or strip turbo. The drawback of the larger turbos will be Surge at low rpms and in particular under 3000rpm if you crank up the boost. A new EFR turbo is a definite yes and will be loads of fun but I can't wait a full calendar year. Maybe next year.