Clear Image Automotive dyno testing, flow bench testing and more...
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i can tell you very soon. I ordered all of that and will have it next week and hopefully dyno it the week after
oh and get the hks bov. Some people say it is ricey but man i love the hks sound
www.streetunit.com has the best prices on the hks SSQV that i can find. VERY cheap.
oh and get the hks bov. Some people say it is ricey but man i love the hks sound
www.streetunit.com has the best prices on the hks SSQV that i can find. VERY cheap.
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Hey everyone,
I want to first thank Dan for everything he is doing. Benchmarking everything before he puts his product out. I just ordered the boost piping kit today, powercoated black. I'll post pics once I get them installed.
I want to first thank Dan for everything he is doing. Benchmarking everything before he puts his product out. I just ordered the boost piping kit today, powercoated black. I'll post pics once I get them installed.
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We started on a full cold air intake:
After placing the air filter where our competitor placed the filter in their own kit, we determined it was too low and wanted to at least pull it higher and angle it more. Since the S&B filters have the additional cone inlet on top, they flow better than the less expensive, flat top, style K&N filters.
Here's a couple pictures of the filter in our competitors configuration. I made sure to get a picture of the ground, and even a tape measure, to show the relation of the filter to a potential puddle.
As I mentioned earlier, the longer style intake will pull colder air from idle but once the car is moving, it's not going to perform any better than the short style intake. It comes down to each owners available funds and comfort level with driving their car with the filter so low to the ground. With a solid 15 HP, I personally would not run the longer intake. But we will certainly build one if customers prefer it.
After placing the air filter where our competitor placed the filter in their own kit, we determined it was too low and wanted to at least pull it higher and angle it more. Since the S&B filters have the additional cone inlet on top, they flow better than the less expensive, flat top, style K&N filters.
Here's a couple pictures of the filter in our competitors configuration. I made sure to get a picture of the ground, and even a tape measure, to show the relation of the filter to a potential puddle.
As I mentioned earlier, the longer style intake will pull colder air from idle but once the car is moving, it's not going to perform any better than the short style intake. It comes down to each owners available funds and comfort level with driving their car with the filter so low to the ground. With a solid 15 HP, I personally would not run the longer intake. But we will certainly build one if customers prefer it.
you have an added 15 hp with cold weather. THe only way i will make up my mind is if i see how the hahn intake and your intake are in my 90 degree california summer. Do you think there is a way you can test for me. Also, does anyone know the temperature hahn tested their products in. I want to see if it was hotter/colder to determine something. The numbers would be a little bit different if my hunch was correct. If i am proven wrong, CIA you have my money. Plus we all have to remember hahn's cold air intake gained 25WHP at 5600 rpm. I think that would be a nice kick when you hit that at WOT.
ohh and i was talking to my buddy and him and i are kinda wondering how long this tune will last on the car, is it safe??? numbers are numbers but i don't want to be buying a weekend warrior tune seeing as my car is a DD.
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you have an added 15 hp with cold weather. THe only way i will make up my mind is if i see how the hahn intake and your intake are in my 90 degree california summer. Do you think there is a way you can test for me. Also, does anyone know the temperature hahn tested their products in. I want to see if it was hotter/colder to determine something. The numbers would be a little bit different if my hunch was correct. If i am proven wrong, CIA you have my money. Plus we all have to remember hahn's cold air intake gained 25WHP at 5600 rpm. I think that would be a nice kick when you hit that at WOT.
yeah i can't wait until they make these products because i want to compare their full bolt-ons to hahn's full bolt ons. See what they make and what hahn makes. The only tune that is better than the CIA tune is a "Pyskotune". He made 290WHP and 340TQ at 20psi. THat is pretty good. Plus i bet he could make those numbers a ton better with full bolt-ons.
ohh and i was talking to my buddy and him and i are kinda wondering how long this tune will last on the car, is it safe??? numbers are numbers but i don't want to be buying a weekend warrior tune seeing as my car is a DD.
yeah i can't wait until they make these products because i want to compare their full bolt-ons to hahn's full bolt ons. See what they make and what hahn makes. The only tune that is better than the CIA tune is a "Pyskotune". He made 290WHP and 340TQ at 20psi. THat is pretty good. Plus i bet he could make those numbers a ton better with full bolt-ons.
ohh and i was talking to my buddy and him and i are kinda wondering how long this tune will last on the car, is it safe??? numbers are numbers but i don't want to be buying a weekend warrior tune seeing as my car is a DD.
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Bootymac,
good points on the intake temperatures. But remember, what the dyno tests indicate are the fact there is definitely a restriction and that a simple change from the factory filter and air box is a quick and easy way of over-coming this restriction. The air coming out of the turbo, after compression, is going to be relatively the same temp regardless of the ambient air temp. But, the ambient air temp will determine the over-all air density being compressed. Remember as air temps change, so do intercooler and turbo efficiency ratings. There's really no way to do a fair comparison of each companies air filter system from 1200 miles or more away. So, what we will do is build the longer intake, almost identical to the other companies intake, and test it back to back with our short style. It will show which is more efficient, at least on the dyno. As I said earlier, the longer system should have better performance right from idle as warmer, ambient air from under the hood will be ingested first by the short style. But, once the car is moving, air is passing through the engine so quickly it wont matter. Because as that point, the same cooler air is being delivered to the engine from the same exact location.
As for the tuning, you will be happy to know Vince is working on the tune so that peak boost doesn't hit like a hammer, but will be rpm driven. In other words the boost will be more linear. This will kept to keep clutch slippage to a minimum. Also, for those running the stock clutch, there will be different levels of tune available.
Thanks again for the input everyone.
good points on the intake temperatures. But remember, what the dyno tests indicate are the fact there is definitely a restriction and that a simple change from the factory filter and air box is a quick and easy way of over-coming this restriction. The air coming out of the turbo, after compression, is going to be relatively the same temp regardless of the ambient air temp. But, the ambient air temp will determine the over-all air density being compressed. Remember as air temps change, so do intercooler and turbo efficiency ratings. There's really no way to do a fair comparison of each companies air filter system from 1200 miles or more away. So, what we will do is build the longer intake, almost identical to the other companies intake, and test it back to back with our short style. It will show which is more efficient, at least on the dyno. As I said earlier, the longer system should have better performance right from idle as warmer, ambient air from under the hood will be ingested first by the short style. But, once the car is moving, air is passing through the engine so quickly it wont matter. Because as that point, the same cooler air is being delivered to the engine from the same exact location.
As for the tuning, you will be happy to know Vince is working on the tune so that peak boost doesn't hit like a hammer, but will be rpm driven. In other words the boost will be more linear. This will kept to keep clutch slippage to a minimum. Also, for those running the stock clutch, there will be different levels of tune available.
Thanks again for the input everyone.
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Bootymac,
good points on the intake temperatures. But remember, what the dyno tests indicate are the fact there is definitely a restriction and that a simple change from the factory filter and air box is a quick and easy way of over-coming this restriction. The air coming out of the turbo, after compression, is going to be relatively the same temp regardless of the ambient air temp. But, the ambient air temp will determine the over-all air density being compressed. Remember as air temps change, so do intercooler and turbo efficiency ratings. There's really no way to do a fair comparison of each companies air filter system from 1200 miles or more away. So, what we will do is build the longer intake, almost identical to the other companies intake, and test it back to back with our short style. It will show which is more efficient, at least on the dyno. As I said earlier, the longer system should have better performance right from idle as warmer, ambient air from under the hood will be ingested first by the short style. But, once the car is moving, air is passing through the engine so quickly it wont matter. Because as that point, the same cooler air is being delivered to the engine from the same exact location.
As for the tuning, you will be happy to know Vince is working on the tune so that peak boost doesn't hit like a hammer, but will be rpm driven. In other words the boost will be more linear. This will kept to keep clutch slippage to a minimum. Also, for those running the stock clutch, there will be different levels of tune available.
Thanks again for the input everyone.
good points on the intake temperatures. But remember, what the dyno tests indicate are the fact there is definitely a restriction and that a simple change from the factory filter and air box is a quick and easy way of over-coming this restriction. The air coming out of the turbo, after compression, is going to be relatively the same temp regardless of the ambient air temp. But, the ambient air temp will determine the over-all air density being compressed. Remember as air temps change, so do intercooler and turbo efficiency ratings. There's really no way to do a fair comparison of each companies air filter system from 1200 miles or more away. So, what we will do is build the longer intake, almost identical to the other companies intake, and test it back to back with our short style. It will show which is more efficient, at least on the dyno. As I said earlier, the longer system should have better performance right from idle as warmer, ambient air from under the hood will be ingested first by the short style. But, once the car is moving, air is passing through the engine so quickly it wont matter. Because as that point, the same cooler air is being delivered to the engine from the same exact location.
As for the tuning, you will be happy to know Vince is working on the tune so that peak boost doesn't hit like a hammer, but will be rpm driven. In other words the boost will be more linear. This will kept to keep clutch slippage to a minimum. Also, for those running the stock clutch, there will be different levels of tune available.
Thanks again for the input everyone.
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Your IAT2 reading will definately be quite a bit higher with the SRI trust me I know. I tried pulling the snorkel off my car to get more sound from the intake. I ended up putting it back on as it made a 15-20* difference in my IAT1 and a 30-50* difference in my IAT2 my ECM was pulling 2-3* of timing once my IAT@s reached 135*. They were only around 85-90* with the snorkel on. 78* ambiant temp. My GTO was the same way whan I installed a SRI on it my IATs went up 30-40* and the ECM started pulling timing and fuel. Sucking in 130* engine bay air you will definately need a more efficient than stock intercooler. If you have one fine, if not I would go full CAI.
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Bootymac,
good points on the intake temperatures. But remember, what the dyno tests indicate are the fact there is definitely a restriction and that a simple change from the factory filter and air box is a quick and easy way of over-coming this restriction. The air coming out of the turbo, after compression, is going to be relatively the same temp regardless of the ambient air temp. But, the ambient air temp will determine the over-all air density being compressed. Remember as air temps change, so do intercooler and turbo efficiency ratings. There's really no way to do a fair comparison of each companies air filter system from 1200 miles or more away. So, what we will do is build the longer intake, almost identical to the other companies intake, and test it back to back with our short style. It will show which is more efficient, at least on the dyno. As I said earlier, the longer system should have better performance right from idle as warmer, ambient air from under the hood will be ingested first by the short style. But, once the car is moving, air is passing through the engine so quickly it wont matter. Because as that point, the same cooler air is being delivered to the engine from the same exact location.
As for the tuning, you will be happy to know Vince is working on the tune so that peak boost doesn't hit like a hammer, but will be rpm driven. In other words the boost will be more linear. This will kept to keep clutch slippage to a minimum. Also, for those running the stock clutch, there will be different levels of tune available.
Thanks again for the input everyone.
good points on the intake temperatures. But remember, what the dyno tests indicate are the fact there is definitely a restriction and that a simple change from the factory filter and air box is a quick and easy way of over-coming this restriction. The air coming out of the turbo, after compression, is going to be relatively the same temp regardless of the ambient air temp. But, the ambient air temp will determine the over-all air density being compressed. Remember as air temps change, so do intercooler and turbo efficiency ratings. There's really no way to do a fair comparison of each companies air filter system from 1200 miles or more away. So, what we will do is build the longer intake, almost identical to the other companies intake, and test it back to back with our short style. It will show which is more efficient, at least on the dyno. As I said earlier, the longer system should have better performance right from idle as warmer, ambient air from under the hood will be ingested first by the short style. But, once the car is moving, air is passing through the engine so quickly it wont matter. Because as that point, the same cooler air is being delivered to the engine from the same exact location.
As for the tuning, you will be happy to know Vince is working on the tune so that peak boost doesn't hit like a hammer, but will be rpm driven. In other words the boost will be more linear. This will kept to keep clutch slippage to a minimum. Also, for those running the stock clutch, there will be different levels of tune available.
Thanks again for the input everyone.
i've known that the colder the air for a turobo'ed engine isn't gonna help a ton (that's why we have intercoolers) but the stocker sucks so bad anything is an improvememnt, and that's where you can come in to play and make a better product than your competitor's already great product. THe first thing i am going to be buying for this car is a way better clutch, can i have Vince tune for the clutch i have, and how is the reliabilty of these tunes?
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i've known that the colder the air for a turobo'ed engine isn't gonna help a ton (that's why we have intercoolers) but the stocker sucks so bad anything is an improvememnt, and that's where you can come in to play and make a better product than your competitor's already great product. THe first thing i am going to be buying for this car is a way better clutch, can i have Vince tune for the clutch i have, and how is the reliabilty of these tunes?
As for the tune, Vince is working to offer several different tunes, all safe and reliable. As for the clutch slippage, he is working on a solution specifically to help address this.
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Cannot wait to try out this tune! Going to be great. There is a certain mustang who thinks he's bad ass who said he'd burn his car if a cobalt beat him that I must take care of 
I will most likely order the intake a little bit down the road buying an engagement ring soon for the little lady so that gets expensive.
I will most likely order the intake a little bit down the road buying an engagement ring soon for the little lady so that gets expensive.
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We started on a full cold air intake:
After placing the air filter where our competitor placed the filter in their own kit, we determined it was too low and wanted to at least pull it higher and angle it more. Since the S&B filters have the additional cone inlet on top, they flow better than the less expensive, flat top, style K&N filters.
Here's a couple pictures of the filter in our competitors configuration. I made sure to get a picture of the ground, and even a tape measure, to show the relation of the filter to a potential puddle.
As I mentioned earlier, the longer style intake will pull colder air from idle but once the car is moving, it's not going to perform any better than the short style intake. It comes down to each owners available funds and comfort level with driving their car with the filter so low to the ground. With a solid 15 HP, I personally would not run the longer intake. But we will certainly build one if customers prefer it.
After placing the air filter where our competitor placed the filter in their own kit, we determined it was too low and wanted to at least pull it higher and angle it more. Since the S&B filters have the additional cone inlet on top, they flow better than the less expensive, flat top, style K&N filters.
Here's a couple pictures of the filter in our competitors configuration. I made sure to get a picture of the ground, and even a tape measure, to show the relation of the filter to a potential puddle.
As I mentioned earlier, the longer style intake will pull colder air from idle but once the car is moving, it's not going to perform any better than the short style intake. It comes down to each owners available funds and comfort level with driving their car with the filter so low to the ground. With a solid 15 HP, I personally would not run the longer intake. But we will certainly build one if customers prefer it.
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You never know when a flood may come and your car may just happen to end up in the middle of it...I completely see their point on the filter placement...I will probably order the CAI that they create I just figure it will be better than Hahns...cannot wait to hear about their results from today and see how far they got with everything.
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Hey guys just want to give an update on todays work, we are still in progress we have the complete cold air intake designed and are going to be putting that on the dyno. The intake is a one peice mendral bent 3inch pipe, that has a couple that connects to the turbo, will have pics up later today i promise. Also we got done designing the second Boost tubing kit just like the others that are out, though ours once again is a one peice upper side design, that also looks good. Though i of course prefer mine which is the first design the intake looks sick next to it. Also hydro locking happens people other people have said it has happened to them just a lone in this thread. The tune is going great we changed how the torque and boost is applied to minimize wheel spin and clutch slipping, so far no clutch slipping, though i am going to be buyin a new clutch. Don't want to say numbers yet tell i can show you a dyno sheet, though the temps today are colder then last saturday the numbers are up on the tune. Also the Down Pipe with the Hi-flow Cat sounds sick alone gives it a low growl, i have been taking videos so we will have those up as well so you can hear what the exhaust sounds like on this thing, we are almost ready to put in the exhaust, i will hit you guys back later and i am pretty sure Dan will be on later as well.
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I have a FEW questions and i am sure someone else is wondering!
Benifits.
Exhaust and DP:
Isnt the Stock Exhaust good for up to 350hp?
What benifits me to get the DP and Exhaust from you guys?
As for Intake/Boost Piping. compared to DP and exhaust. Which should come first?
My order i was wanting to go:
Boost Tubing Kit
Intake
DP
Tune!
what do you guys think?
Benifits.
Exhaust and DP:
Isnt the Stock Exhaust good for up to 350hp?
What benifits me to get the DP and Exhaust from you guys?
As for Intake/Boost Piping. compared to DP and exhaust. Which should come first?
My order i was wanting to go:
Boost Tubing Kit
Intake
DP
Tune!
what do you guys think?
Without seeing all the dyno numbers yet, I suspect the downpipe is the bottleneck in the exhaust system. So, intake, DP, and tune are going to be your best first mods for sheer performance. The charge piping is more for reliability and appearance because the stock stuff sucks and breaks.
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yea. i was thinking the same.
Intake
DP
Tune.
Cause honesly i am only looking for 300+ hp...because i dont really want a monster lol
i guess charge piping could come later? idk
im still really off on what to get first
Dan help me out
Intake
DP
Tune.
Cause honesly i am only looking for 300+ hp...because i dont really want a monster lol
i guess charge piping could come later? idk
im still really off on what to get first
Dan help me out