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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 02:11 PM
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Clutch Help!!!

Can someone please help me... I recently tried to do a clutch bleed/flush on my car from the bleeder screw and I really messed up and had someone press the pedal down while I had the bleeder screw open and now I have no clutch pedal at all, it either sucks right now or springs back up if I pull it up by hand... There is no resistance at all. What can be done without pulling the tranny and manually bleeding the slave cylinder? Thanks for anyone who helps.
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 02:21 PM
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You can get a vaccume assisted or pump action bleeder that will allow you to pull fluid from the resevoir. Will need 2 people to do this as so one is keeping the resevior full while the other operates the vaccume. Once you cannot see any bubbles in the bleeder line close the bleeder valve then shut off the vaccume. Fill the resevior to line and then try the clutch again. You can rent these bleeders from local parts retailers.
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 02:28 PM
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I have a mightyVAC... So I need to put vacuum on the bleeder screw? I tried that last night to try and pull fluid from the reservoir down to the bleeder screw and it just keeps sucking air... and it looses vacuum really fast too..
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 02:39 PM
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Maybe try pumping the clutch petal while using the vac to see if it helps push the air out. Also might need to vary how much you are opening the valve on the vac.
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 03:34 PM
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So, I put the mightyvac on the bleeder screw and pump the pedal, by hand of course... since i have no pressure... The vacuum just loses vac so fast it doesnt seem like its doing anything and there is nothing happening at the reservoir at all, no fluid going down at all. Is there some little thing I am missing? I read somewhere else that you have to move a clip into bleed posistion...?

I'm pretty sure what happened is all the fluid came out of the slave cylinder when I openend the bleeder screw and it sucked in a bunch of air...

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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 03:39 PM
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for *****...

try disconnecting the clutch line from the distribution block. if you have fluid running out of there then you know the air isnt in that portion. you may have to have the cap off the cylinder up top for a steady flow. once you get a steady flow, plug that bitch back in. you will get brake fluid everywhere doing this just fyi.

now the important question, why in the hell were you flushing your clutch system?
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 04:11 PM
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Long story, I've had two different clutches in this car, first one which was a clutchmasters fx300, which I don't recommend. So I installed a SPEC 3+ and that has been great except for the engagement point and I bent the rod on the master cylinder. So i installed the ZZP adjustable rod and that helped out quite a bit, but some of my shifts are still binding like high RPM 1st to 2nd was the worst. Pretty much getting locked out... Also when the fluid first came out of the bleeder screw it was BLACK with a few bubbles. Also I can see what looks like black pieces of dirt in the reservoir....

Ok, I took the clutch line off the slave block and there was no fluid in it at all... I tried pulling vacuum on it and nothing is coming out... think something is blocking the fluid?

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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 05:53 PM
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did you take the cap off the reservoir up top? it provides vacuum
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 07:22 PM
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i took the master cylinder out of the firewall and actuated it by hand and did a bleed through the bleeder screw like that... however now the clutch engages right at the floor... even with the clutch rod almost all the way out..

its not really soft, it just engages less than an inch from the floor. It wasnt like that before.

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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 07:34 PM
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id say you messed up something with the master cylinder then.
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Old Nov 22, 2009 | 09:12 PM
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put more fluid in. lol
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 08:32 PM
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Clutch is still really soft... Are there any other methods of getting air of out of the slave other then bleed screw/vacuum from reservoir?
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 08:38 PM
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you arent getting flow from the cylinder to the block. you need to figure this out.
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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I was getting flow from the master after I disconnected it from the firewall and I was pumping it by hand and ran about 6 or 7 pumps from the rod on the master cylinder through the bleeder screw... now it just seems as though the slave isnt pushing the fingers in on the pressure plate like it should... like there is air in the slave.
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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try vacuum bleeding it?
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 09:19 PM
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Yeah, right off the reservoir... all night long last night and this afternoon as well. Still the same squishy pedal that engages right at the floor.... :-/ I think I might have blew out my slave somehow... I've got some cardboard underneath the tranny right now to see if it leaks overnight....
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 09:21 PM
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Gotta pull a vacuum on the resivior. That is the factory procedure. I made a small rubber stopper that fits on the top, and with a hand vacuum pump I can pull 15-20 in/hg on it and leave it for a couple minutes, release it, pump pedal a bit, more vacuum, repeat as necessary. Works like a charm.
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Old Nov 23, 2009 | 09:34 PM
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I thought the procedure was to leave the vacuum on it 15-20Hg and pump the pedal while it was still vacuuming? Could this be my problem? I will try that method... BTW, i'm only using the provided atachment that came with the mightyvac, it seems to really fit well just before the first step of the cap's rim, see circled:

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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tlake84
I thought the procedure was to leave the vacuum on it 15-20Hg and pump the pedal while it was still vacuuming? Could this be my problem? I will try that method... BTW, i'm only using the provided atachment that came with the mightyvac, it seems to really fit well just before the first step of the cap's rim, see circled:

From my understanding, and what has worked for me, is to release the vacuum, pump it, then re-apply the vacuum. Try that 3-4 times, you should have a pedal. If not, then there is something else messed up.
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