Dyno Tested: Vacuum Tank Bypass mod
04-27-2010, 09:22 PM
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No matter why it was ENGINEERED for the car, it serves a purpose.
If you are looking to play, treat your car right and tune it properly, don't rig it and hope it isn't hurting anything
If you are looking to play, treat your car right and tune it properly, don't rig it and hope it isn't hurting anything
05-01-2010, 05:29 PM
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-I'd love to have a definitive answer how Dejon spring/tank delete/downpipe wi cutout (or combination thereof) affects bpv operation/compressor surge. I'm currently on stock spring and I've never used the cutout-I hope I get more than extra noise and a cel,lol.Regarding the tank delete: I bypassed tank only(not solenoid) and my results have been the same stock/stg 1-the car has less lag. Not sure how this traslates to better dyno #'s though?
1 more thing-if you do this mod keep an eye on your vac hoses-mine developed a leak at the solenoid and threw a post cat lean code; a little trimming/reclamping took care of it.
05-02-2010, 09:06 PM
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i did this mod 3 days ago and after driving my cra around it did change performance. less lag and it is holding at 15 and peaking at 17-18 before i was opeaking at 15-16 so there was an obvious improvement
05-03-2010, 05:24 PM
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From GM ..... Read part thats bolded
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2009 Chevrolet Cobalt | Cobalt, G5 (VIN A) Service Manual | Document ID: 2324723
#PIP4669A: Intermittent DTC P2261 Setting - (Aug 10, 2009)
Subject: Intermittent DTC P2261 Setting
Models: 2008-2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS
2008-2010 Chevrolet HHR SS
This PI was superseded to update model years. Please discard PIP4669.
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
A technician may find DTC P2261: Turbocharger Bypass Valve Stuck Closed set with no problem found. It may be intermittent in nature or they may find the dtc will set after a hard acceleration, usually in third gear. DTC P2261 is a type B dtc and will not set on the first drive cycle the dtc sets, therefore multiple test drives should be performed to confirm repair.
Recommendation/Instructions:
SI diagnostics for this DTC states that the ECM compares the measured MAF reading to the modeled MAF and has detected a series of pulsations in the induction system that exceed a calibrated threshold. A snapshot of "Induction Data" will show the fault, however the tech may need to compare the snapshot data to another vehicle if they are unfamiliar with the readings. They should note a fluctuation and or a difference in the desired versus requested boost level. When diagnosing this dtc pay close attention to Circuit/System testing step #1. This step has you inspecting for any vacuum leaks, damage, restrictions, improper routing or connecting of the vacuum hoses on the charge air bypass valve solenoid, the charge air bypass valve, and the charge air bypass valve vacuum tank.
We have found leaking vacuum tanks causing this dtc. When testing the vacuum tank, care must be used or the results may not be valid. The vacuum tank has an integral check valve not noted in SI. To check the Vacuum Tank operation, disconnect the hose that runs from the tank to the Bypass Valve Solenoid at the solenoid and apply vacuum to the tank. The tank should be able to maintain vacuum with no decay. Note: If you remove the vacuum hose from the intake manifold and plug it and the decay stops the check valve is leaking, if the decay continues the tank itself is leaking.
Note: Front wheel drive platforms using the 2.0 Liter RPO (LNF) incorporate a charge air bypass valve supplemental vacuum tank. The purpose of the tank is to provide an instant source of vacuum to the bypass valve via the bypass solenoid (when it is commanded open by the ECM). This results in less pressure buildup under closed throttle conditions, thereby reducing compressor noise, surge and spool time.
Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.
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05-03-2010, 05:37 PM
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The purpose of the tank is to provide an instant source of vacuum to the bypass valve via the bypass solenoid (when it is commanded open by the ECM). This results in less pressure buildup under closed throttle conditions, thereby reducing compressor noise, surge and spool time.
05-03-2010, 08:44 PM
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that write up made it seem to REDUCE spool time, the opposite of what people are claiming.
If someone is running BOV to atmosphere, I can see it working, but they are claiming improvement when stock.
That GM document makes it sound important IMO. Reduces dead air in the tubing, which decreases surge, thus reducing spool time.
Unless the bypass somehow still allows proper blow off...
If someone is running BOV to atmosphere, I can see it working, but they are claiming improvement when stock.
That GM document makes it sound important IMO. Reduces dead air in the tubing, which decreases surge, thus reducing spool time.
Unless the bypass somehow still allows proper blow off...
05-04-2010, 12:14 AM
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Rukkee FTW(again)
I'm trying to wrap my head around this,lol. If the tank is bypassed wouldn't it be getting a more direct vaccum source(when commanded)? Maybe the mod helps when the bpv is moving in a certain direction,idk.
Regardless how the car felt this is straight from the horses mouth so I'm thinking F it. Still doesn't explain why it's not on the rwd's.
Unnecessary in vaccum/necessary in boost ?
I'm trying to wrap my head around this,lol. If the tank is bypassed wouldn't it be getting a more direct vaccum source(when commanded)? Maybe the mod helps when the bpv is moving in a certain direction,idk.
Regardless how the car felt this is straight from the horses mouth so I'm thinking F it. Still doesn't explain why it's not on the rwd's.
Unnecessary in vaccum/necessary in boost ?
05-04-2010, 03:24 AM
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This sounds like you had a leak somewhere in the section you bypassed.
05-11-2010, 03:44 PM
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I havnt gotten to the track yet but this thing is a FN beast. It pulls so hard that its a bit scary. It spikes 26 PSI at full throttle and I think it holds 24 but I will get it to the track after I get back on the 27th. Leaving this suckass weather for 2 weeks in Arizona
05-11-2010, 04:43 PM
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I havnt gotten to the track yet but this thing is a FN beast. It pulls so hard that its a bit scary. It spikes 26 PSI at full throttle and I think it holds 24 but I will get it to the track after I get back on the 27th. Leaving this suckass weather for 2 weeks in Arizona
Thanks!
05-11-2010, 05:46 PM
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Wow, I had no idea this thread was still going.
To clear some things up:
I only did the vacuum tank bypass. Not the entire solenoid bypass.
My car definitely pulls harder and has zero lag thanks to the vacuum tank bypass.
If the vacuum tank is there for a reason, my guess is to simply create lag, curbing torque steer, something magazine editors HATE. Seriously, read any magazine comparison of our car with other fwd turbo cars and they will whine and moan about torque steer (I'm looking at you mazdaspeed 3's). Better reviews=better sales. Or maybe the turbo lag is just a byproduct of this vacuum tank.
Also, why doesn't the solstice gxp, sky rl have a vacuum tank? (rwd=not having to worry about torque steer)
All I know is that my car is still running well and I have yet to throw any codes. The only bad side effect of this mod is slightly lower mpg (simply because I stay in the boost more often.
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To clear some things up:
I only did the vacuum tank bypass. Not the entire solenoid bypass.
My car definitely pulls harder and has zero lag thanks to the vacuum tank bypass.
If the vacuum tank is there for a reason, my guess is to simply create lag, curbing torque steer, something magazine editors HATE. Seriously, read any magazine comparison of our car with other fwd turbo cars and they will whine and moan about torque steer (I'm looking at you mazdaspeed 3's). Better reviews=better sales. Or maybe the turbo lag is just a byproduct of this vacuum tank.
Also, why doesn't the solstice gxp, sky rl have a vacuum tank? (rwd=not having to worry about torque steer)
All I know is that my car is still running well and I have yet to throw any codes. The only bad side effect of this mod is slightly lower mpg (simply because I stay in the boost more often.
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05-11-2010, 05:52 PM
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Wow, I had no idea this thread was still going.
To clear some things up:
I only did the vacuum tank bypass. Not the entire solenoid bypass.
My car definitely pulls harder and has zero lag thanks to the vacuum tank bypass.
If the vacuum tank is there for a reason, my guess is to simply create lag, curbing torque steer, something magazine editors HATE. Seriously, read any magazine comparison of our car with other fwd turbo cars and they will whine and moan about torque steer (I'm looking at you mazdaspeed 3's). Better reviews=better sales. Or maybe the turbo lag is just a byproduct of this vacuum tank.
Also, why doesn't the solstice gxp, sky rl have a vacuum tank? (rwd=not having to worry about torque steer)
All I know is that my car is still running well and I have yet to throw any codes. The only bad side effect of this mod is slightly lower mpg (simply because I stay in the boost more often.)
To clear some things up:
I only did the vacuum tank bypass. Not the entire solenoid bypass.
My car definitely pulls harder and has zero lag thanks to the vacuum tank bypass.
If the vacuum tank is there for a reason, my guess is to simply create lag, curbing torque steer, something magazine editors HATE. Seriously, read any magazine comparison of our car with other fwd turbo cars and they will whine and moan about torque steer (I'm looking at you mazdaspeed 3's). Better reviews=better sales. Or maybe the turbo lag is just a byproduct of this vacuum tank.
Also, why doesn't the solstice gxp, sky rl have a vacuum tank? (rwd=not having to worry about torque steer)
All I know is that my car is still running well and I have yet to throw any codes. The only bad side effect of this mod is slightly lower mpg (simply because I stay in the boost more often.
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05-11-2010, 05:57 PM
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well, i got the tune then did the mod however i did a data log afterwords and sent to vince and he said everything looked good so. Now I'm waiting for a update from my CAI so ill let you know what he says.