idk i just think the synapse kit is a waste since some are there with bolt ons. if they used a gt3076r i would see the kit being more worth it. besides you don have to buy a bov from btf either. ill probablly end up with their short kit depending on how things go with zzps new and up coming kit. we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

 

yeah intercooler piping will fit on the turbo dont know about the intake. but can look when u get out here. last night went with ssfamilywagon and theredfarret to phoenix. did some not so good runs just one good one. 13.4 at 113 i think that was the mph. will see if ssfamilywagon has that run on video. but it not matter it not tuned all the way yet so will see in time. but everyone wasnt doing to good that night.

 

Did nobody see my post? Synapse will swap out the gt28 for a gt3071 or 3076 if you want. And you can always buy the synapse manifold separately...although it's $800 bucks.

And yes people have made close to that power with boltons...but the k04 is extremely out of breath past 6 grand on those cars and they don't make NEARLY as much power at redline as the larger turbo does...you must remember..power under the curve is ALWAYS more important than some peak dyno numbers.

 

y u think it a waste of time? i like because i dont have to deal with the stock turbo boosting quick and be in boost more. with the lag i get better mpg with my heavy foot. but i dont want to push my engine to the limit with any bigger turbo and go through the engine faster.

 

talk about a waste of time. What about the 16g turbo kit from Dejon. lol they only made 312whp

 

Sweet! sounds good man! yeah im moving out there with my buddy that lives out there. he drives a Black 03 GTI witha bigger turbo on it. hes at the track alot too.

I seen ur post! thats what kinda made me lean tward the Synapse kit a lil more seeing theyd swap the turbos. depends on if i can get my Hahn intake and CP to work with that kit.

I might ask them if they could do a custom kit for me? cuz i dont need the Intake or CP. And id like the GT30 turbo

 

i only go here and there to phoenix. but will see u when u get down here.

 

Heck yeah man!! ill be staying in the Chandler area but ill be going to school in Avondale at UTI.

 

According to synapse turbo, they are still running stock clutch with their ecotechnik kit. Anybody buying that? 383wtq rockin the stocker clutch with zero slips? And they claim its a daily driver too.

 

Ok first, why would you want to strap a bigger turbo, ESPECIALLY a GT30 sized turbo onto stock hardware? Our stock manifold is poop. The lag you would get from a GT30 on the stock manifold would be worthless, you would be looking at full spool about 4500 rpm.

Second, arguments between GT28 and GT30 are stupid. Its all in what a person wants from their car. You can easily make 400 whp off the GT28, and its going to flow into a higher rpm range (say 7250) than the stock turbo. It would be perfect for road racing and autocross. Whereas a GT30 would be close to 500 hp, would be too laggy to run on a tight road course, and would be perfectly suited for drag and fast road courses. It would flow up into a higher rpm range efficiently (about 7500 rpm).

So, really its up to the person buying the kit. If you are upgrading, don't skimp. Thats my theory. some may think its wrong, but I don't see a point in an upgraded turbo that lags out to 4500 rpm, when I could have spent just a bit more money, gotten a whole kit and could boost around 3800 rpm.

 

Because that way you can use a dp/mani/intercooler of your preferred brand and always get a custom tune, canned are not going to get you performance and safety, only one, if any

 

I'm sure that the charge pipes would work...the intake probably wouldn't match up...but even if neither ended up working..it's not like you couldn't sell them on here for close to what you bought them for.

I agree completely that using the stock manifold for any large turbo setup would be a poor decision for performance. As far as the upgraded turbos...the gt3076 may be a tad too much for anything really street usable...but the gt3071 would not really be too much of a step up from the gt28..it would just flow better up top and hold more firmly to redline and would probably have a VERY similar spool time as the gt28...maybe just slightly higher.

But seriously...if you're going big...don't use the stock manifold. Have something custom fabbed up as a 4-1 style instead of the stock log style.

I agree that a short kit from synapse would be awesome...and I'm sure if you emailed them and asked them they would be glad to make you a short kit.

And I realized you can't really JUST buy their manifold...you would have to get their downpipe setup as well because of their 2 piece system.

 

than why not just build a kit yourself. The parts are available...

 

Everyone nuthuggin' BTF's kit. Have you seen the "little" progress he made on the K04+ cars... there are a handfull of stock turbo cars making FAR better numbers than him.


Look at stagezero... has the full Synapse kit and tune from them and is barely over 350whp and 330+ wtq...

Kinda sad... but the GT2876R is a MUCH better suited turbo for daily driver and track use than a 30+ turbo. Quick spool, good response and is very effiecient... that and the bullseye S256 is spiking some interest with me as well. but seems a lil too big for what I want though

 

Yes this site is full of that. 500whp w/ turbo lag and an undriveable without slicks. Hello spin city....I can already do that through 2 gears already...I would like to leave 3rd useable.

STOP thinking....that is not allowed here

If your going to try to make fun of someone...atleast look up his actual numbers. BTF's have potential...but w/ the fact the compressor is getting into issues of efficiency range, I would rather spend the money for the synapse kit if I plan on upgrading, vs limiting boost in low rpm's.

Also your forgetting that synapse kit did this all on 22psi. Stage is getting 370whp/350wtq all the way to 7k. The "factory ko4's drop off like a bat. Sure you "claim" yours doesnt...but never saw a dyno of yours. Its always post like I do 300+wtrq @ 7k rpms (sure you do w/ a K04),

 

I stated last night... if you read... 317wtq at 6600 rpms. I poke fun... especially when most of them come to me for help from time to time.

I've talked with BTF and overbooster about their cars and the problems they have run into. Some take advice some do not.

There are much better tuners out there... 99% of these cars problems are in the tuning. Not the products themselves.

You can adjust cam angles and such to speed and quicken spool. You always run your mouth but never have anything to back up your claims.

So once again... Its because of people like you that alot of us are beginning to quit helping the community!

 

I would never ask for your help...so do not worry! And What claims? Your making the claims.......

 

blueberry, i have the KO4+ turbo and your right, my torque falls flat on its face at 6K, you have any tuning tips? i work with Rick for my tuning and only tweak alittle bit on my own.

 

claims... please... I don't make false claims or promises. And don't worry I wouldn't help you anyway!

The people that need to know my numbers... and my tunes know them. And i talk to them all the time.

You can see the highest HP and torque NON shop cars... Are Mezzano (not on this site), Terminator 2, myself, and a few others that aren't on this site.

All on stock turbos except Mezzano.... tuned by 06blackg85ss.


And Hiltu... yeah there are tips you need more timing and some cam angle adjustments to keep spool.

Term hasn't even released any new numbers... I don't post dynos or time slips... why because it isn't worth it.

 

agreed,

i think the gt28 synapse kit, with full exhaust and a new trifecta tune with the unlocked fueling is the furthest someone should go with a dd. with the gt30+ turbo there will be more lag and our cars will become the supra's of the 4 cylinder world, 100 mph+ rolls only...

400-430 whp should be possible with this turbo?

how wide can the tc go in terms of tires and aftermarket rims?

 

depends on how low you are... I rub on the 225s with SSC springs.

But I have seen 245s on the stock rims... but thats pushing it. 235s are just fine with some decent rubber

I think the fueling system that Trifecta just released is the single greatest tuning thing to be released since it was first released.

But I think a GT2876R with a good tune, and plenty of fuel is more than capable of 400+

I mean there are several of us within 40-50whp of 400 on the stock turbo.

 

People don't understand the concept that bigger isn't always better. Give me better spool and i'll sacrifice marginal top end power.

Mezz is on this site, but he rarely posts. I'd love to see that car go in person

 

I can't wait till they get done with it... it's gonna be a sick sick SICK car

 

I don't think people realize this engine is so efficient. It 'shouldn't' be able to make 350whp in terms of conventional thinking, but it does. So people automatically think it 'shouldn't' be able to make more power than what a turbo is rated for (efficiently), but it can.

 

But we aren't out of it's efficiency range... JUST getting close.

The only issue is any higher boost it won't hold as loong into the powerband.

Which is why I have my DALs setup a little differently... so I don't have a big spike at the beginning but has more boost at higher RPM.