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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:21 PM
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High Pressure Fuel Pump Mod

Well for good or bad I decided to Mod one of my spare fuel pumps. Not sure how Im going to test it as I dont have HPT. Using a low speed drill press and homemade fixture I opened the inlet and outlet to 3/16. The stock size being 11/64 and a brass restrictor in the other side which was very small. It was so small I couldnt measure it. Weather it was there for a purpose we will fine out. If the fuel pressure goes up to 4000 then I will know if I f--ked up a good pump

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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:26 PM
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Wouldn't a larger opening give you lower pressure, but more volume, ultimately canceling itself out? Just thinking out loud here. Its always fun to try stuff with spare parts, lol.
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:28 PM
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Normally on a pump when you enlarge the inlet and outlet the resulting pressure (resistance to flow) and fluid velocity (how quickly the fuel is delivered to the rail and injectors) will go down if flow rate (GPM) is kept the same. If the pump is being restricted by the size of the inlet and outlet this is a good mod if not a low rail pressure code will likely result as well as slower fuel delivery. Must test to find out.
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:33 PM
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
Normally on a pump when you enlarge the inlet and outlet the resulting pressure (resistance to flow) and fluid velocity (how quickly the fuel is delivered to the rail and injectors) will go down if flow rate (GPM) is kept the same. If the pump is being restricted by the size of the inlet and outlet this is a good mod if not a low rail pressure code will likely result as well as slower fuel delivery. Must test to find out.
You might be right and now we need to test it. I need to get a measurement of the ID of the High pressure fuel rail
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:39 PM
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You will only have reduced the internal loss of charge of the pump. These pumps are fixed displacement (piston type) pumps, and the only way to get more flow is to fit in a bigger piston. Like they do with audi / mazda etc pumps.

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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:40 PM
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Lets look at it this way then. Given maximum drive to the pump, which pump would produce more pressure at the rail?
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:40 PM
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OK Vince and I are going to test it. As soon as I get the needed File and some good weather Ill try It out on E85. Will Keep you posted.
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyros777
Wouldn't a larger opening give you lower pressure, but more volume, ultimately canceling itself out? Just thinking out loud here. Its always fun to try stuff with spare parts, lol.
My thought exactly.
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:47 PM
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My guess is this will make no difference. As I said in my previous post, this pump is a fixed displacement pump, so when it pushes the fuel out, it goes out no mater what. With a bigger hole, it will be easier for the pump to push the fuel out, but the flow remains the same.
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:48 PM
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It might or it might blow the fuel rail apart.
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:49 PM
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lol There's a "HPFP Pressure Too High" code. It'll probably go limp before that happened.
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:50 PM
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And if it was that easy to modify the pump, don't you think that some vendor would have done the same and charged big buck for it?
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:51 PM
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If it's a piston-type pump, then let's bore it!
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:55 PM
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Who knows ? If they only made 3400 of our cars who would really care. Its fun to try different stuff out though

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If it's a piston-type pump, then let's bore it!
It looks like they made it tamper proof

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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Stamina
If it's a piston-type pump, then let's bore it!
Bore it, stroke it port and polish it.
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
Bore it, stroke it port and polish it.
technologic.... technologic....
(daft punk ftw)
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Stamina
If it's a piston-type pump, then let's bore it!
That is the solution. Problem is, you need to keep tolerances in the range of +/-0.00005" for each part. This is why the audi pump upgrade kit is 380$, for some parts that would be worth 5$ with normal machining tolerances.
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 02:03 PM
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I might of been strokin it when I thought of this.
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 02:07 PM
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I like it, let's hope it works out for you!!

You can ask Vince for a copy of Palmer and log it yourself
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 02:08 PM
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[SIZE="2"]I it dosnt work I might take one of the other pumps I have and open the restricted hole up .0001 at a time.]
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 02:11 PM
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Lunch and couch time
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Old Mar 30, 2011 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mongorat427
[SIZE="2"]I it dosnt work I might take one of the other pumps I have and open the restricted hole up .0001 at a time.]
LOL, it's the internals you have to make bigger. Have you looked at the parts for the audi pump I linked in my first post?
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