kinda new to this but im thinking at that price its just the upper tube?? or is it the intire kit

 

Manufacturers copy other manufacturers products all the time. If you were in the manufacturing business you would understand this.

What makes you think Injen started working on the design before us?

Since they are so large, why did it take them so long to release it? Certainly they have the resources so why the delay? Most obviously, we released a design that made more power than any other, and they decided to go with the better design. The routing is a direct copy, though unfortunately parts like these can not be patented. We'll accept it as a compliment since OUR products have been being COPIED for years by the "larger companies".

 

X2 for Dan. i do agree

 

Agreed! TTR says **** like that all the time(negative to anyone but their product/line).

 

Point proven Injen has had this design before CIA, which has been since December 11th 2008, 6 months ago was the release to use after testing, the designed happened well before that date:

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l-lnf-performance-tech-153/new-update-injen-lnf-items-inside-146329/

Looking through your past post, you did not come up with this design until after this forum post...




It takes that long for a large company to get it through "pre production." so Dan lets not claim to be the only hero, you both have great ideas (CIA and Injen) however, I would state both came up with it on their own, and neiter company copied each other, both just came up with the same design. Injen is not dumb, they know how to make performance products. I HIGHLY doubt Injen knows about smaller manufacturing companies. They design each intake/charge pipe/etc by how they get the best improvement. Not by what other companies do/think.

Also notice, we were NOT 100% positive towards this products, as it is only the upper charge pipe, and they have no intentions of making a lower charge pipe for this car...

We don't make things up RBC. This should prove it.

 

I am not saying you guys are making anything up. What is your proof that their original design had this design.

 

They have not changed anything, it has been in PRE PRODUCTION since December... The tester (Cobalt owner) for Injen would be the one to prove this...

There is no way Injen would just have done this design in the last 2 months. We have been waiting for over 3 months for 2.2L Injen intakes for them to just MANUFACTURE... If they are that slow to produce/busy in the shop to manufacture, there is no way they copied a design that is basic knowledge for a large company like Injen. Seriously, it is a good design, but it does not take rocket science to figure out the straightest/shortest route is the best design...

You could go the other way and state CIA saw "spy shots" of Injen's charge tubes... But we didn't as there is no point to make up stuff. But I guess CIA is willing to step out and try, which shouldn't have, without having all the facts and proof.

 

understandable. Again, just was curious.

 

You know Aaron,
I had edited my reply, BEFORE posting, in order to keep things professional.

You have now chosen to personally attack my company by trying to shed doubt as to our design planning, time-frame and more importantly, our company integrirty.

You need to fine tune your research:
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...t=boost+tubing

As you can clearly see, we finished and had pictures posted just two days after you made your post. Looks like the ONLY "Spy pics" posted were OURS.

You are NOT a manufacturer. Your comments about the manufacturing process is second hand at best. Stick to doing what you do best, selling other companies products and leave the manufacturing to companies who actually do the work.

 

It just burns me up inside when you think just because CIA is a smaller company they do not have products "worthy" to "copy"

All companies do it.

 

Dan Injen has an even straighter design than yours, meaning less bends, maybe more power? Picture we received from 12-11-2008 from them:



Why are you claiming, so bad, this is "your design"? As we already stated BOTH of you came up with the design, on your own; neither company copied each other. It seems as if you still don't want to give it up that Injen copied your so called "design". They obviously didn't. What are you trying to prove here?

And BTW we are a manufacture of machined parts, I guess you don't know much about us.


Plus this thread is about the Injen Charge pipe's not "Dan's charge pipes". You can make a new thread speaking of your products.

 

looks very nice except for the worm drive clamps please tell me they are going to sell them with T-bolt clamps. Worm drive clamps equal pipes slipping out under higher boost and that is no good.

 

It looks remarkable...it truely does. and i understand what u are saying about those clamps :P

 

Wow injens look nice and clean! It would be nice for T clamps like Terminator2 said! I know for a fact that injen just dont release there products once they are made. They test them for a while before sending them out on the market. I know this because i emailed them about my injen for my SS/SC when i had it.

 

Wow TTR you are amazing first you claim Dan stole it then you say he didn't stand up like a man. I have the car that had the original piping designed on it, ohhh it took injen 6 months to put it to market but only a few days to make it hahahahaha. Now i think Injen is a great company with great products i am not taking hits at them. Like Dan said stick to what you truly know.

 

Sounds like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.

There's a very good reason we ADDED that extra bend to our tube. More power? Doubtful as 24 degrees would have almost no effect on high velocity air.

Now, I NEVER would have even commented in this thread, if you hadn't decided to offer your opinion of another members post, stating what they felt was an obvious copy of our product. Then you decided to insinuate we had possibly seen "spy pics". Every member of this forum knows full well we have always been 100% up-front with our designs; from R&D to production we keep members informed throughout the process. I guess it's just a coincidense we posted pictures of both our boost tubing and cold air intake kits just to have another company release almost the same exact design of both; with the claim of "been in production for months". Don't try and manipulate this thread Aaron. And don't try and put words in my mouth.

Keep it up and I wont let you carry OUR products...

I apologize to the author of this thread and to the members of this forum for allowing myself to be dragged into a public debate.

 

Boy how can you tell theres a full moon out everybody seems to marking their own territory with a little anger

 

We NEVER stated Dan stole Injen's design, and we never stated Injen stole Dans design. We stated they BOTH came up with the design on their OWN. No one should be pointing fingers...

Dan is the one that stated INJEN stole his design... Read the posts in order... We never stated anyone stole anyones desgin.

We stated that sarcastically, meaning we "could" have stated that you saw "spy pics" and play the same games you were. Re-read our post and it will make sense.

But instead we stated, what we felt the TRUTH was, which is both you and INJEN came up with the design on your own, at about the same time. We are not pointing fingers... You were...

Why would we want to carry your products, we have never requested interest, and with such a twisted thread you are making, we wouldn't want to rep them.

We will pass this request onto them, and hope they go forth with T clamps Price will go up, but I think we will all agree it would be worth it.

 

Aaron, your first post was in regards to the differences between cia and injen and how INJEN came up with that design first.

Naming other companies in a negative tone that you are in competition with is very poor business.

Dan and his company have taken the Initiative to start designing parts for the cobalt’s. They obviously took a huge money hit to R&D these products and hope they would catch on.

Your just a wholesaler for other manufactures, Dan makes his own products and sells them...

Dan put it the best...Leave the manufacturing to the guys who do it best by invest more money/time into our small community.

It would be like Dan saying in a thread that OTTP makes better tranny mounts then TTR and also saying TTR stole their design.

Having a "Tiff" with other companies on a public forum is never good for business, that going for both TTR and Clear Image.

 

We never said that, in our first post as you said, we stated:

"Injen has been working on this WAY before CIA."

Now I will admit there is no measurement of time associated with the word "way," but I know Injen has planned and was working on this design for months before December, when it was completed.

We never stated anything about the design and differences in that post, you are assuming this, but Injen did complete their design about the same time CIA did.... That is our point... NO fingers need to be pointed at ANYONE, that is what we have stated every post...

You would be also wrong we are not just a wholesaler, we are a manufacture of many products for a few car models. (GM specific) We DO NOT make any charge pipes or intakes. Mostly machined parts...

There was no "tiff" on our part, we were only defending Injen that they did not steal CIA design, we have stated over and over that both companies came up with it on their own. CIA however did state Injen stole "their" design...

Why are you turning the table...

 

Aaron there are times when people write things intending one thing while everyone takes it the other way, i believe this is what happened with what you wrote. Though you do have to understand that you as a reputable business have to choose your words wisely cause this is what transpires when this doesn't happen. Also you have to look at it from Dan's view as stated above he has spent a large amount of money to bring these things to market and he is so passionate about his work because he only expects the very best from himself and this is what he delivers, he does business the way 90% of most companies should. Aaron lets set it straight as i see you are trying to do and move on.

 

no i agree, you guys are manufacture's and i over looked that and fixed it with my edit.

however, many of your posts have had a negative tone towards Dan and his company. Here is a example

now obviously, you said "maybe more power?" as a question..meaning you are not implying it.

but come on, i've worked in retail for 4 years with the largest competiter down the street..when a customer comes into my store and asks which product is better (the one i carry or the one my compition is going to carry) i say the one i carry, thats just simple business.

but, i will not go and slander their stuff compared to ours, which...it seems like you are doing.

im not pointing figures. both your companies carry/produce great things for our small cobalt community.

for better business, this topic should just be dropped. Let injen/turbotech carry their products and Dan carry his own and let the customers (us) pick which one we want to purchase.

 

Thank you, but on the other flip of the coin, did Injen also not invest a lot of time and money also? That is why we keep saying from the first post here, NO FINGERS NEED TO BE POINTED... Which they WERE but it was not from us. We are a MUTUAL party here stating not to point fingers.

 

Well put!!

 

im not turning the table...

i would rather have both of you guys stop, last thing our community needs is two of the strongest companies fighting eachother and/or pulling the plug on opperations.