im sure theres people running it can some one give me some tips for it on a sstc? im getting a devils own kit for a steal and wantd to know if theres any tgin i need to know be4 and thanks guys


the car is a 09 ss/tc

superchips tune ( for now)

aem cai

zzp dp

zzp hotside piping

muffler delete

thkans again

 

You're going to need to get a real tuning solution if you want to really utilize meth. Wont see a whole lotta benefit without added timing.

 

I disagree. With a properly sized nozzle and mix, you will still benefit from chemical cooling. Being that you are running higher than stock boost on the stock IC, this could amount to a decent gain from consistenly lower charge temps.

On my LNF solstice, I see below ambient IAT2s at times, that's hptuned, hahn IC and a 3gph meth nozzle.

BUT - tune it for best results.

 

thanks guys ima get a real tune and get it tuned for meth

 

I have wanted to know how this would work for a while .....you should get a dyno so we can all see the gains of meth!

 

I was also thinking of buying some meth, dyno chart with results and it might just be a must

 

Heh, well, an sstc and myself, without any tuning, averaged losing power on the dyno with a kit just slapped on and no tuning for it.

 

nozzle size, power output and mixture? You should be able to cool the charge significantly at the very least. if you were running a huge nozzle, the placement was wrong, ect. that's called user error. Post both dynos?

 

Nozzle was flowing around 260cc/m@170psi, so no, it wasn't a huge nozzle. Ran pure meth. Placement isn't really rocket science either. I'll post dynos when I get some time to dig.

 

is there any negative effects using meth?

 

placement is not rocket science, but it counts for something. Spraying into the intake manifold will not allow the ecu to "see" the cooler charge. Spraying well before the IAT2 will.

2nd - running pure meth will give you a nice octane boost, but will not cool as well as a water/meth mixture of the same volume.

So, like i was saying, you can benefit w/o tuning if the placement/mix/flow are well thought out. In your case it looks like you were going for the octane boost, which does require tuning to realize full advantage.


FWIW, if a case came up on an SS/TC where you wanted to install a meth kit without specifically tuning for it (timing advance and fueling adjustments), i would run a 3 or 5 gph nozzle with a 50/50 mix and i would tap the cold side IC pipe near the outlet of the IC. That way the spray has time to evaporate and cool thoroughly by the time it reaches the IAT2 and certainly by the time it reaches the engine.

 

any certain brand recommended? aem, devils own, snow performance?

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Don't call it "meth" when rolling through the ghetto.

 

lol haha ... still would like a lnf to guide me to the right kit....

 

I just bought the AEM kit today. I will be installing it when I go home in a couple weeks...

 

i ordered devils own trunk mount kit will be here friday going to the dyno before and after to see what it does terminator will be doing the tuning.

 

I would suggest the aem kit for the failsafes, but to each his own! Ive been on meth for a week now, BYT tuned full boltons and clutch. The difference was amazing after some tuning, was like being stock and getting tuned again for the first time. Whole new car

 

wouldnt the meth/water mix ruin the IAT2 sensor? from what ive read you want to mount it after the IAT2 and about 6 to 8 from the throttle body

what mix you running of meth/water? what size nozzel did you use and where did you mount it?

 

I converted my windhshield washer fluid reservoir, the pump is mounted slightly in front of the stock horn assembly under the drivers side headlight. I used whatever the middle size nozzle was that came with the kit. Ill need to look it up to give you the exact nozzle size. Im running advanced auto special blend......A.k.a the standard aa windshield washer fluid, so far so good. I believe the meth water content of the advanced auto brand is roughly 40/60

 

nice where did you mount your nozzel?

 

i finally got a realy tune now looking at the devils own , im thinkin about getting the stage 2 were it reads off the map sensor any imput?

 

did you do the clutch as a precaution or did it just not hold the powa and die?

 

I wouldn't run a kit with an honest to god fail safe. I've had good luck with Labonte in the past, but if I was doing WI again, I'd pick Aquamist.

You can try to cheap out, but water injection is not where you want to skimp. If it's tuned for WI, and the flow stops, you go boom.

 

Devils own DVC-30 kit, HANDS DOWN! Progressive controller with internal MAP sensor and 250PSI pump, its the pooh

CAUTION: not all windshield washer fluid is created equal. I don't run it but im pretty sure you need a specific blue kind, NOT red...

 

I have the zzp maf relocation kit with the lower charge piping, its mounted in the pipe after the maf very close to where it attaches to the intake manifold.