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Old 01-15-2015, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
I wouldn't be too worried about the kys3. Like I said above, it seems to vary quite a bit from case to case. I've actually seen more issues with the southbend clutches than I have with the kys3. It's really just a crap shoot in the end.
It is not about the holding, its about the engagement. I hate where it engages.
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
Ya know, it's sort of funny you say this. I've had my kys3 clutch for over 3 years now without as so much of an issue. Same thing goes for the multiple other kys3's I've installed on other balts. Now on the flip side, I've now had 2 southbend stage 4+ clutches come into my shop (towed not driven) that were shot and both had the identical problem. One of which was actually just last week. In both situations the disk hub springs were shattered and lodged in between the disk and flywheel. Not a cool thing.

It's just interesting how polar opposite experiences people can have with the same exact products. The thing is, I was reading up a bit more on these southbend clutches and it seems as though the disk springs are a bit of an issue. I'm not saying their a bad clutch, but I'm also not saying they're worth every penny of that $700+.

I just hope yours holds out a bit better. I'm sure it will, but just maybe keep vigilant for if the trans starts to seem like it's hard to get into gear at times.
It's hard to get into first sometimes but only out in the cold. Warm garage its fine. I honestly don't think my ky was installed 100% properly. Southbend better hold or zzp will have some explaining to do
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Where's it grabbing? High? Low?
Old 01-15-2015, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
Where's it grabbing? High? Low?
Super high, just like the guy in the OP said. Like you press my clutch pedal .5" and you can already feel it starting to push on the fingers.

System has been gravity bled, vacuum bleed, manually bled, and there is no air. TOB is extending properly.
The clutch did this when I bought the car. I pulled it out, sent it to KY where they rebuilt it and retested it. Told me it was in perfect shape and nothing was wrong with it. Reinstalled with bran new TOB, pipe, bleeder block, OTTP hard line, master and it is still exactly the same.
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Stock clutch rod or adjustable?
Old 01-15-2015, 10:52 AM
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Stock.

I thought about an adjustable one, but everyone that bought one did it because it was grabbing low, not high. Then lots of people failed their TOB with it.
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Stock.

I thought about an adjustable one, but everyone that bought one did it because it was grabbing low, not high. Then lots of people failed their TOB with it.
Yeah exactly. If you had an adjustable one I would have told you to adjust it allllll the way in to it's shortest length. Otherwise, like you said, the tob gets way over extended.

It's just weird that it grabs high like that. I've felt a lot of tired lsj clutched grab pretty darn high, but not one of these up to yet. Mine, and other ky clutches I've installed, actually all seem to like to grab pretty low on the pedal. As a matter of fact the closest thing I can think of comparing it to is the gmpp clutch actually. Very weird.
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
Yeah exactly. If you had an adjustable one I would have told you to adjust it allllll the way in to it's shortest length. Otherwise, like you said, the tob gets way over extended.

It's just weird that it grabs high like that. I've felt a lot of tired lsj clutched grab pretty darn high, but not one of these up to yet. Mine, and other ky clutches I've installed, actually all seem to like to grab pretty low on the pedal. As a matter of fact the closest thing I can think of comparing it to is the gmpp clutch actually. Very weird.
I just sold my LSJ that had a GMPP. That is the feel and grab I wanted, but instead I got the polar opposite. It is annoying. People probably think I am a n00b when I reverse or ease into first. It is hard to get used to, especially when I was back and forth between the LNF and LSJ.
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
Ya know, it's sort of funny you say this. I've had my kys3 clutch for over 3 years now without as so much of an issue. Same thing goes for the multiple other kys3's I've installed on other balts. Now on the flip side, I've now had 2 southbend stage 4+ clutches come into my shop (towed not driven) that were shot and both had the identical problem. One of which was actually just last week. In both situations the disk hub springs were shattered and lodged in between the disk and flywheel. Not a cool thing.

It's just interesting how polar opposite experiences people can have with the same exact products. The thing is, I was reading up a bit more on these southbend clutches and it seems as though the disk springs are a bit of an issue. I'm not saying their a bad clutch, but I'm also not saying they're worth every penny of that $700+.

I just hope yours holds out a bit better. I'm sure it will, but just maybe keep vigilant for if the trans starts to seem like it's hard to get into gear at times.

Plus you can buy TWO KY stage 3 kits for the price of 1 southbend stage 4...
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Plus you can buy TWO KY stage 3 kits for the price of 1 southbend stage 4...
and take the risk of doing a clutch install twice.

I hate my KY stage 3 kit. Mine slips 4th if punched the throttle. For the price it is what it is but I won't recommend it anymore.
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Originally Posted by Wert842
and take the risk of doing a clutch install twice.

I hate my KY stage 3 kit. Mine slips 4th if punched the throttle. For the price it is what it is but I won't recommend it anymore.
Where does yours grab for engagement?
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Originally Posted by Wert842
and take the risk of doing a clutch install twice.

I hate my KY stage 3 kit. Mine slips 4th if punched the throttle. For the price it is what it is but I won't recommend it anymore.
Did the disk, pressure plate, or flywheel get exposed to any trans fluid or hydraulic fluid either of the times your trans failed?

Don't get me wrong, it's not my favorite clutch on the market, but it's done we well enough for the time I've had it.
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Originally Posted by blueLNFftw
It is not about the holding, its about the engagement. I hate where it engages.
For the price though it was a great option at the time when i bought it. But yeah the engagement really takes some getting used to. I have to rest my knee against the door panel to get some extra leverage to try and let it out easy bc its really short travel. I can't complain though, everyone that gets in my car stalls it out lol.

On a side note, i did break it in for about 1,000 miles before really getting on it. I tried a pull at 700 miles, started slipping, called KY and they said theres probably still some surface imperfections, break it in a few hundred more miles. After that, there have been no issues, its held everything i threw at it. It never slips on a pull. I think im around 20k miles on it now. No complaints really, money well spent.

I'm surprised my used 4.05 has been going strong.

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Originally Posted by Wert842
and take the risk of doing a clutch install twice.

I hate my KY stage 3 kit. Mine slips 4th if punched the throttle. For the price it is what it is but I won't recommend it anymore.
Yup mine slipped doing too speed run so bad, got to 155, my mph stayed and my rpm kept climbing. And after every hard pull it stank like burning clutch. And I was only at about 400 wtq, supposed to hold 475. The feel of the clutch sucked as well
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I saw on Facebook that James Rakes was boasting about helping design it. No wonder why it sucks, just like his tunes....
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Stock clutch ftw
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
Did the disk, pressure plate, or flywheel get exposed to any trans fluid or hydraulic fluid either of the times your trans failed? Don't get me wrong, it's not my favorite clutch on the market, but it's done we well enough for the time I've had it.
On the first trans fluids did manage to get on the clutch, but even beforehand it never held 4th to its real potential. Second trans was internal and not fluid lost. So regardless it never did what it was suppose to do.
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I saw on Facebook that James Rakes was boasting about helping design it. No wonder why it sucks, just like his tunes....
Hahahahahahaha.
Mine engages pretty much right off the floor every time. My buddy is running a spec stage 3+ clutch on stock turbo and tuned. From me driving it its so smooth and just easy to drive compares to mine.
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The fact that some people's KY engages off the floor and others right off the top of the pedal means that KY and ZZP must use the same quality control people....
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