I was typing when you posted that. Notice 1 minute apart...

You have not sent me any logs.

 

Look at my post above...I just said I was going to get retuned whether it was from James or ZZP. Quit trying to take everything personally. I'm not trying to crap on ZZPs rep. I just wanted my tune fixed and have noticed even when the charge piping had popped off there was still that choppiness.

 

Also- send me emails if you want tech support. PMs are not going to be responded to as quickly as emails.

 

I haven't sent you any logs because you just responded to me tonight when I had gotten home saying you'd tweak the tune.

 

Either way, I already told you quite some time ago that you could send me logs for fine tuning.

 

Alright, lol. I don't remember that but my memory is pretty crappy so....

 

Matt I know you said this is no offense to me. But this is why you and I dont get along. You talk about yourself as in Zzp being better then anyone! Which is honestly very funny!! You think because your a large shop and vend products make you the best? .. there's many type of tuners.. some good, some great, but no gods. Some tune for respectful power but keep it safe, and some tune for power and care less about drivability and what the owner does with the car. Meaning if its a dd, circuit car and etc. So in instances of you saying you can tune your product better then me, is like saying I can tune bnrs better then you.

Honestly if the op wants to take the car to me, ill give him what he wants. I won't just give him his car and say here. I've made results and have shown dyno slips, with many setups.. Zzp, treadstone, custom. It's all the same crap. I've tuned plenty of the comp cams in the lnfs. No problem, I've also tuned quite a few Zzp kits.


So if op wants to take it to me, its his choice. Id rather him be safe then blow on the base.file he has on his car now. not saying anything bad about it other then its prob a file off a car you tuned that was never revised for his car. So safety is the priority.

If op wants blunt power I can still obtain this if he has all the mods to let me. I will do my best.

No offense Matt..

 

......aaaaaaand lock thread.

 

I'd like to hear the details on this. (If the previous tune was done by zzp.) Feel free to tell me who's car this was and what mods he had. If you don't want to post it here, then please PM it to me. These situations nearly always end up full of surprises when investigated closer. I'm sure this case will be no different.

 

I never said anything about being the best or better than anyone. I said that we know our setups better than anyone, and why wouldn't we? My statement was based on instances where it was clear that you did not fully understand the zzp turbo upgrade kit, how it is set up and/or how it relates to the lnf ecm. We are not going to pretend that you should know all about it. I only pointed out the obvious. ZZP knows a full zzp setup better than an independant tuner. Just for example, when people get an lnf turbo upgrade installed here, they leave with their car running very well. If things go wrong, we are obligated to take care of the customer. In the cases that I have seen that you were tuning our setups, when things go wrong, you are quick to point out that the tune wasn't done yet. We have the equipment and man-power to get the tuning done on the spot. You are limited when you are trying to tune on the street or faced with the challenge of figuring out something new that we have already come across on the dyno after tuning dozens of similarly equipped cars.

The proof is out there. People that had their LNF turbo upgrades tuned here are pleased with the results. The people that have complaints have never actually been here.

 

I misunderstood you, I sent you a PM explaining myself and that talk on the internet can be misinterpreted.

 

But i said no offense so it don't count!!!!!!!!!


Anywho, when you say " we can tune our kits better then James" you are saying I am less of a tuner. Yes its your kit, but honestly its the same **** as somthing else would be. You may use different cam tables then i and wot fuel. But honestly there wont be much difference within the tune. Just because you vend a kit and etc doesnt mean you will make the.most power.. of course if somone goes full e and has supporting mods and a larger turbo they can acheive great.numbers. any Tuner can provide this. its how reliable it is....

I'm not saying I can tune better or that you can tune better because in most instances a lot is the same other then drivability and etc ..
What i am saying is, yes you guys make the kit, and have shown results. Always on ethanol but hey its all good. But depending on what op wants and how much he wants to spend is what counts..

I have a few things im fabbing and a few other things with a.few.companies. but just because i make these products does not mean no one else.will be better then me at tuning them in and making better results..



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I really do not see your grounds for acting like you are right now. It seems that you are trying make an issue between zzp and yourself to justify your next move of going to James for tuning. This is no offense meant towards James. I'm sure he will put forth a solid effort to get you what you want out of your car.


The fact still remains that he will not be able to tune your ZZP setup as well as ZZP can.

 

Understood. It is tough to pick up a tone from text on a screen.

 

Yes, James. I stand by my comment that zzp can tune a zzp turbo swap kit/zzp cams/zzp motor setup better than you can. Try not to read into that for more than what it really is.

Your comment about all of the builds being on E is clearly false as well. We ran 11s on gas on the stock turbo. I dyno'd over 500whp on gas on a 252 turbo, and not on our dyno. We dyno'd a customer lnf car past 500whp on gas. Just because you don't have all of the information does not mean that it doesn't exist, so that comment was pointless.

 

Absolutely.. It's worth the additional cost of
driving and spending a few days in GR while you guys do the work imo..

 

You want a cookie, because I'm sure do..... Believe what yuh want there .. .. the e comment was more of a joke since you get so fired up from it...

 

wish I was more computer smart and could put the smily face eating popcorn. This is getting heated....

 

It's not getting heated lol, you haven't seen previous **** I assume. This is more or less funny..

 

God ******* damn it!!!! You two are going at it again!!! Once again "Interpretations" is what this is always about. One reads something and interprets it to your unique way of thinkng.

Arguements on a forum are mindless games because as said above you can't express your tone, therfore not grasping important points when discussing an issue with someone. This is a clear downfall in the forum world.

Now Matt, I understand that you will always defend ZZP and its products, as you should. Knowing and stating then that "tone" is not expressed through "text on a screen" should then have a phone call suggested. You do take care of your customers correct? I will say that yes , you guys are quick to respond when i have sent emails. That is text on a screen and prefer talking to you guys.

James, no one can say that you're not a good tuner. You have had great success with good #using E, different setups etc. Regarding this thread what were you expecting when you posted that huge paragraph and started with "No offense". Did youthink that adding that would not provoke Matt to respond? Both of you have a history of disagreeing on everything. We have all seen it, we get that you do things one way( and you have your following) and ZZP has their way of doing things( and they have their following as well).

If you guys want to call each other or meetup sometime I bet that pictures painted of each other would be erased and re-drawn. On the forum just stay out of each others way since you two dont and never will get each other. If the OP decides to use James then great. Get in contact wih him and do your thing. Matt if you choose to help/resolve then do your thing. Stop the bs please.

 

I said no offense because that's what matt said to me lol. It's more joking then anything.

 

No offence, nice try.. LOL.......

 

Lol...

 

Some issues here-
1. I invited James up to ZZP for our dyno day, but he declined stating that there would be too much drama. He later said he couldn't go because it conflicted with a different meet, however he had stated that he would not be attending before we chose the date.

2. If you can find a thread where I went in first and started bashing James out of the blue, please post a link. You won't find it. However, just in the last few days there have been multiple threads with serious zzp bashing coming from him, and it never changes.

3. It is not necessarily fine if the OP goes to James. It actually causes a conflict of interest. What is going to happen if his motor sufferes serious detonation and the head gasket fails(or worse.) Do you think James is going to pay for that? No, he won't. Should ZZP be required to pay for it? If we did the tuning, then there would be reasonable liability. It's no secret that James was tuning the OPs car originally when his motor failed. Was it his fault? Maybe, maybe not. What did he do about it? Nothing. He said that the tune wasn't done, which is a common statement from him in these situations. ZZP does not need to work on a tune like this for days. An hour on the dyno would suffice. Later, the OP found that he had his wastegate hooked up wrong. I can assure you that zzp would have found that issue and the OPs original motor would most likely not failed.

4. If you think I did not offer to help the OP, then you have no idea what's going on and probably should not be commenting.

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I needed a good laugh so I came back to the old Cobalt forum to see what's up and this is what I find. You two guys are a joke. Post up or send me some logs or tunes and I'll tell you what's wrong with BOTH of your tunes. Saying "No one can tune ZZP turbo kits or motors as well as ZZP" is dead wrong and proves at least one of you is just a pompous #ss.

Seriously, OP, you can send me a log or tune if you want and I'll give you a direction to head in at least. Or get out of this forum and try asking questions on the HPT forum. These guys aren't interested in helping people, they just like to fight and compare wieners.