Guys,

The only person that I know of with a dyno on the Superchips tune is drewbroo and he put down something like 288rwhp and 305rwtq. He has very basic mods as well. Hahn intake, removed cat and muffler delete. That is pretty impressive.

Does anyone with the same basic mods have any dynos of the Trifecta tune?

I am reading that it is very similar. Has anyone with HP Tuners logged a Trifecta tune? The HP Tuner gurus on this site seem to think that the Superchips tune is extremely weak and leaves alot on the table.

That being said, what are guys seeing out of Trifecta?

drewbroo seems to recommend the Superchips, but naturally he made more hp with a custom tune.

Chime in here.

 

I have hit 12.70's with trifecta, no dyno, but seems pretty good to me.

 

I wonder without the intake your times... see if there is a big gain


do you have charge piping?

and who did your trifecta tune?

Also on that 12.7 run.. what was 60', tires, mph etc.. more info please

 

One of the members on here that goes by L.P. put down 307WHP and 361WTQ with the Trifecta tune, his only other mods were an intake and muffler delete. Pretty sure he's on the dyno list thread. I think the average for that tune with no other mods is around 290-300WHP and 330WTQ as that seems to be what most people who actually dyno'd posted. All of Trifecta's tunes are done by Vince, there are several dealers, but the tuning is done by Vince.

It's all kind of hearsay anyway though, even if two people in different states are using the same type of dyno they can still be configured completely different and the results can be completely different even with the same car. Unless everyone were to get together and dyno on the same day at the same shop in the same conditions you aren't really comparing much.

My old '92 GSX was a good example, it put down 220AWHP and 212AWTQ at one Dynojet dyno here in town. The next weekend I went to another Dynojet dyno shop and it put down 198AWHP and 225AWTQ with near identical weather and altitude conditions on both days. These were corrected numbers at both shops. Same type of dyno was used at both shops but there was a huge difference between the two and they were only 50 miles apart. It's just hard to accurately compare numbers if it's not the same dyno.

 

The 60 foot was 2.018, mph was 113.84. No charge pipe, only dejon intake, catless DP, muffler delete, and a tune. Vince did the tune. What do you mean without the intake?

 

WHat I mean is, since there is so much debate over 'quality' intakes (actual intake systems) I wonder what your numbers would be (better or worst) if you had a k&n drop in vs the intake you have.

 

Trifecta tune is better except for the A/F. 11.6-11.8 is too rich for this car.

 

I guess Vince doesn't think so?

 

I guess not but you can bet you last dollar that neither myself nor 1badbluberrysc, Area47or, 06black will ever tune a DI LNF car that rich. We dont for a reason. It is safe (kind of) but sacrifices power and economy not to mention you will be more prone to clogged cats and misfires.

 

I guess not but you can bet your last dollar that neither myself nor 1badbluberrysc, Area47or, 06black will ever tune a DI LNF car that rich. We dont for a reason. It is safe (kind of) but sacrifices power and economy not to mention you will be more prone to clogged cats and misfires.

 

I guess not but you can bet your last dollar that neither myself nor 1badbluberrysc, Area47or, 06black will ever tune a DI LNF car that rich. We dont for a reason. It is safe (kind of) but sacrifices power and economy not to mention you will be more prone to clogged cats and misfires.

 

What's the a/f on that Superchips tune that everyone is making fun of.

And also, don't take the wrong way guys, especially you T2, becuase I value your opinions: If you guys are the end all be all of performance LNF tuning - why not open a shop and quit your day jobs?

Don

 

You think there is that many LNF cobalt SS's out there that are going to be tuned? for what a couple hundred bucks each tune?

They wouldn't be able to live off that.


What I do think may work.. is get a bunch of guys together maybe 10+ have everyone have hptuners or work a thing out.. and pay T2 and or whoever to come out.. pay for 1 nite hotel and round trip airfair and whatever money for each tune.. guaranteed 10+


If any of their schedules allow that.. it makes them some quick fun CASH on a weekend or something.

 

Yeah, I think the only strong business model for how many of us there are and how specialized it is, that Vince has the right idea. Basically specialize in several flavors of Ecotecs and service as wide an area geographically as you can (harnessing the power of the internet and doing tunes that way too). There's probably a reason you don't see many LNF-specific tuning shops around. It just isn't cost effective.

The reason you can do it with something like the LS_ series engines is that everybody and their mom owned one, mid-grade all the way to Corvettes had a version of it, so there were a bunch and the production ran for many years too. So far our cars haven't even been made long enough or in large enough abundance to even warrant a Haynes manual.

 

Trifecta tune only here. Car made 263 hp 307 tq. Absolutely no other mods right down to the stock filter.

 

I did dyno 307/361. I talked to vince on the reason he richened up the A/F ratio so much. He stated that it was due to the high timing that his tune ran. I have not had any problems with misfires and I NLS all the time at the track. Clutch slip is nonexistant too. Car felt completely different after the tune vs. the stock tune. I still get 31 MPG highway and about 26 town. Love the tune and in the future go back to trifecta after I get my DP and a few other mods.

 

That's a nice dyno L.P.

Wonder why this thread is not on fire? I would assume that there would be arguments left and right against and for each product.

 

I wanna tune!!! but I also want the GMPD stage 1 kit. It needs to come out so I can see some numbers for that!!! Then I'll get the stage 1 kit and go buy a HPtuner and give that a whirl.

 

first off, I'd go with SCT as i trust them more then just some d00d and a computer from some company.

i've seen the SCT file for the lnf and i've worked with sct in the past on various LsX engines, its not bad at all.

conservative, yes, but it makes solid power and i'd trust it to run for 100K


nothing against Vince and all, just my view on things from past personal business.

if something like that could ever be worked out with a guarantee, I'd do some more travelin.

that rich of an afr does some real nasty **** to the flame cournal post plug fire.

DI is awesome for the simple fact that the extra cyl air (from the leaner AFR) allows for more power to be made Vs. the same conditions on a port injection car.

as you richen things up you slow down and massively stall / distort the flame front thus a much less efficient combustion cycle.

this AFR shows why the car with that tune makes a bit more torque yet lesser HP.

on the top end, with an FWD car, I'd take the hp over a bit more low end tire spin.

 

I guess that is why drewbroo put down the numbers he did in 95 degree weather. I think ~280rwhp and ~300rwtq is a very decent number. Very decent.

I know the Trifecta guys are making more power, but they are also dealing with bald tires and clutch slippage from the massive amount of torque Trifecta tunes make.

I know Vince has an LNF HHR and has been fine tuning his files for the LNF, maybe they are not so rich anymore? I know that the SC tune is quality and does not push any limits...

 

You are exactly right. When I tune my cars I will take more top end hp over a huge midrange torque hit. Better traction and a much faster car overall. This car needs more top end not more midrange power.

 

So T2 would you be willing to tune some of us with HP Tuners if we pay for your trip up north? I bet we could def. get 10 people to meet up and get this done in one weekend. Does anyone else agree that this could be a great way for some of us with "no real tuning knowledge" to get a great custom HP tune?

 

Yes for sure. Let me know when and where.

 

Just wondoring when you make the tune is only the tune or you have to change something in the car?

 

Does anyone have actual timeslips for HP Tuners, or are we dyno queens?