I would just get the TR8L being that it's the new updated version. It's slightly larger intercooler. Same price.

 

Well what's the difference, just size? What's this low pressure mean?

 

You might have some pressure drop because the ic is too big for the stock turbo, the tr8 regular is the one that comes with the package deal or the turbo upgrade. The new version is for higher hp applications. I would get the tr8 regular but that's just my opinion.

 

I don't get why people say that the ZZP IC hangs to low. It doesn't even hang one row below the bumper cover. Your factory air damn hangs down even farther than the IC. If your scraping the bumper cover or the air damn on the road you def. need to change your driving style.

Our IC is by far the nicest direct replacement IC on the market!

 

It just doesn't seem that low, I don't know call me crazy.

 

I love all the work that you guys do at ZZP for us! I have used, and will continue to use many of your products. But Treadstone takes the prize for the best intercooler/piping on the market today! The quality and attention to detail is simply unmatched for the price.

 

The $740 price does NOT include the BOV. That's just for the piping and intercooler. I believe the BOV is an additional $240. If you want to run your stock BOV, they have a block off plate for the BOV flange on the piping available for about $20

 

I'd pose the question, "Why does it even need to be that low?" That is LOWER than the stock one, especially if you remove the condensation bar, which doesn't actually do any cooling anyways. Most of the section down there is blocked anyhow.

One inch shorter and it would have been a perfect IC. I won't take the risk. One off at a track, or tall parking lot strip, and that could get ugly. My stock one is tucked up higher than the bumper lip. It's at least 1" higher than that picture.

 

Never the less, Ryan fro ZZP is right. If people go around knocking their IC on stuff maybe they should think about getting a lifted truck. Even being super careful I still sometimes scratch the underside of the lip on driveways since in California people don't know how to build a damn parking lot. Sometimes it can't be helped but I never damaged anything on the stocker.

 

Understandable, but I won't risk a simple mistake costing me $800. Accidents happen I know, but there's no need for a simple miscalculation breaking hearts. I like ZZP, well now I do. Before I didn't, but ever since I dealt with their customer service and got their tune. I am happy with them. So it's not a hate on ZZP post by me. I just don't wanna curb it by mistake or hit one of colorado's incline or declines and stress out. Can't speak about Cali, but Colo is pretty bad with our dips, inclines/declines.

All I'm saying is ZZP's intercooler is too low for me, I can't say anything about it's performance and it may be superior to all IC's out there and it may be perfect for someone else. For me I don't wanna chance it and preferably I like the look of Treadstones better. It performs good from what I have read. It's not a lose situation for me so why not?

Agreed, I love you ZZP but I'm playing the field a little before I commit

 

Honostly i would rather have my IC hang just a hair below the bumper then have half of it be behind the crash bar nothing but wasted space imo just because it's "bigger" doesn't make it better especially when half isn't seeing any cool air. I've had the crazy steve and now i have the synapse which is similar to the zzp and i haven't had any problems and the roads we have around here are horrible also it seems to be more resposive on the throttle because there less space for the turbo to fill. I don't know exactly what zzp uses but the synapse uses a quality garrett core. This is just my opinion on it seeing that the treadstone is similar to the crazy steve ic. Also no i'm not trying to start a brand war just pointing out my experience with how they're all setup and my opinion on everything. The way everything looks treadstone has some quality charge piping.

 

Oh the roads out here can be absolutely positively destructive at times. I had a 2002 S-10 with a 5/6 belltech drop on it. I cracked a header because it hit the ground. vahdyx I completely understand, can't be too careful though. You still don't want to mess up the lip or air dam. I installed my Treadstone TR8 and it is shorter than a stock one but it is wider. It still hangs about an inch above the bottom of the lip and it cools the charge nicely. The TR8 handles up to 450hp, and the TR12 is up to like 700hp which the lnf wont make very easily. I'm not sure what the TR8L is rated to.

 

Isn't this pic a bit deceptive? It's up in the air with the wheels drooping down.
This IC is at least 1" LOWER than stock as far as the GROUND clearance goes.

Here one with it on:

 

You have to be careful with the angle of the pics that you take, You can easily make it seem as if the intercooler is hanging extremely low.

I lol @ the treadstone vs zzp argument in this thread. Both are great designs.

 

TR8L is 2 inches longer. It uses less dense internal fin structure for a lesser pressure drop than the standard TR8.

 

Also it's not that it can't handle more horsepower that's just it's optimum range of efficiency and if you cracked a header in a small (also lowered) pick-up then it won't really matter when you hit the bottom of a cobalt plenty will go wrong... you can jump a cobalt and the only thing you'll have is cracked stock plastic endtanks trust me i have experience.

 

^^^ Very true... I'm very careful with parking bumpers and such. The driveways are the ones that get me though. Even taking it at an angle, which I have always grown accustomed to doing, sometimes its not enough. And I don't have plastic endcaps anymore hehe :

 

Wow, that is low. If that car was lowered, I don't even think you could get it on a flat bed tow truck without bending that IC with the tow chains.

 

Thats what tow hooks are for. I have a set of removable ones on my car if there is a need.

 

It just seems like more trouble than it's worth. I just wanna put a part on and forget about it.

 

LOL that this is continuing.

 

being mindful of the road sometimes isnt the only factor. Once we were driving the back roads of the blue ridge mountains and got a little off the paved road. Drove up into this really nice twisty area so we stop at the bottom of the mountainside, go back up to the top with my friend on the radio, halting traffic at the bottom if nescessary, and hit it like all hell. Flew down the mountain pass with some pretty nice style points on the slides but little did we know, about 100ft past where my friend was, there was an unpainted speedbump sitting there. Hit that bitch at 60 with full brakes on, and let me tell you, THAT was a hilariously ugly experience for that fmic. I think i have the video from that run around somewhere. Serves me right!

 

Care to elaborate on that?

 

*ANGLE*

Come on now..that baby is hanging about an inch LOWER than stock..are ya tellin' me it's an optical illusion? I went out to my car and took a good hard look from ALL ANGLES before I made that post..just to make sure it wasn't just the angle of the pic.

 

If you are saying what I think you are, then you completely misunderstood something that you heard from Ryan the other day. We have our cores custom made for us based on my personal design.

To date, we have not had any reports of a ZZP IC being damaged on the street, and we sell a lot of them. Properly mounted, our IC hangs less than 1/4" below the bumper skin, which is a couple inches higher than the bottom of the air dam. Our IC is also about 50 times as durable as the stock IC. It could take a serious hit and keep performing just like normal.