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I would love to goto ced. Our schedule does not go out that far so I wont know till late march on that one tho. As long as it doesnt fall on my weekend I can schedule myself for early in the week before that weekend and then work late the next week to get some days off.
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Will do. We will be going quite a bit this year I think. I found a supplier for e 99 as well. Wooster has a plant and it's only 175 per 53 gallon barrel. I am going to mix my own e85 this year.
Going to make my own e85 with 93 instead of 87 octane like the pump. Little more total octane. Also it will be 85% every time.
I am guessing 132-134
I am guessing 132-134
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I am quoting GMTech from a different thread and bringing it here because it was off topic...
From my other post about fuel puddling-
Of course people are going to be concerned about that type of thing. When we started that project, we tried a few different configurations, gathered data, and asked a lot of people what they wanted in a kit. In the end, we ended up with a kit that worked as well as we had hoped, costs less than we expected, and installs much easier than we expected. As far as the fuel puddling concerns, these issues are non-existant. If you tried to run a setup like this at low airflow you might run into that situation. However, it is only used under high airflow and therefore it simply does not happen. Most people don't realize how much airflow a few hundred cfm is. When you are forcing it through a space that is less than 2.5" across, airspeed is extreme. I don't have the exact numbers on me right now, but I remember that we calculated airflows of well over 100mph as it enters the intake manifold. And remember that this is extremely dense, pressurized air. Imagine spraying ethanol into a small airstream that is travelling over 100mph and then try to imagine that fuel just falling down and making a puddle. It simply can not happen.
Yes, you are correct to say that there is liquid fuel in the cavity directly below the injector. However, the fuel does not enter the airstream there. Worrying about the liquid state of fuel in that location does not matter any more than the liquid state of fuel in the fuel rail or lines. The hole between that cavity and the intake inlet from the throttle body is used in this manner similar to a meth nozzle. Ethanol sprayed into the airstream through that small hole actually does mix very well with the incoming air. Also, as you touched on a little, we are not mixing in water here, so it is going to mix much better than a meth kit with a high percentage of water. Furthermore, ethanol will mix even better.
And yes, spraying meth into that hole would be even worse. Back to chemistry class, what's going to be harder to atomize and stay atomized, water or gasoline? I've NEVER seen anyone route their meth into a hole like that. Most guys route it into the charge pipe before the throttle plate, in a large opening where the liquid has a chance of mixing with the air before hitting the walls and condensing. If you're going to put words in my mouth, you better make sure they make sense. Saying I said "meth injection will always fail" is false, slanderous and ridiculous. I never, ever made a connection or assumption anywhere near that.
The injector being put in that hole has about a 1/16 of an inch or MAYBE 1/4 of an inch before it sprays directly onto a wall. The fuel will then turn back into liquid form and run down the passageway, to pour into the manifold on the side of the throttle body opening. Who here thinks that's a good idea? Seriously, I'm asking.
Matt, you followed me to the HPT forum and posted in one of my purely informative threads hoping to stir things up there, maybe we should post up my pictures over there and ask the experts. I'd LOVE to see what some of those guys say. You want to discuss, let's discuss with people that know what they're doing.
The injector being put in that hole has about a 1/16 of an inch or MAYBE 1/4 of an inch before it sprays directly onto a wall. The fuel will then turn back into liquid form and run down the passageway, to pour into the manifold on the side of the throttle body opening. Who here thinks that's a good idea? Seriously, I'm asking.
Matt, you followed me to the HPT forum and posted in one of my purely informative threads hoping to stir things up there, maybe we should post up my pictures over there and ask the experts. I'd LOVE to see what some of those guys say. You want to discuss, let's discuss with people that know what they're doing.
Of course people are going to be concerned about that type of thing. When we started that project, we tried a few different configurations, gathered data, and asked a lot of people what they wanted in a kit. In the end, we ended up with a kit that worked as well as we had hoped, costs less than we expected, and installs much easier than we expected. As far as the fuel puddling concerns, these issues are non-existant. If you tried to run a setup like this at low airflow you might run into that situation. However, it is only used under high airflow and therefore it simply does not happen. Most people don't realize how much airflow a few hundred cfm is. When you are forcing it through a space that is less than 2.5" across, airspeed is extreme. I don't have the exact numbers on me right now, but I remember that we calculated airflows of well over 100mph as it enters the intake manifold. And remember that this is extremely dense, pressurized air. Imagine spraying ethanol into a small airstream that is travelling over 100mph and then try to imagine that fuel just falling down and making a puddle. It simply can not happen.
Yes, you are correct to say that there is liquid fuel in the cavity directly below the injector. However, the fuel does not enter the airstream there. Worrying about the liquid state of fuel in that location does not matter any more than the liquid state of fuel in the fuel rail or lines. The hole between that cavity and the intake inlet from the throttle body is used in this manner similar to a meth nozzle. Ethanol sprayed into the airstream through that small hole actually does mix very well with the incoming air. Also, as you touched on a little, we are not mixing in water here, so it is going to mix much better than a meth kit with a high percentage of water. Furthermore, ethanol will mix even better.
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