Whp numbers for gm lnf stage kit
Not everybody is looking to make as much power as they possible can...people have different plans for their cars. Like I said, for me its plenty of power for what I need, and the fact that I keep my warranty is great because now I can dump money into the vette without having to worry about blowing up my DD because I went with some extreme tune and pushed it too hard

Im just getting annoyed with people saying the tune is crap, because its not. Have you even driven a Stg 1 car?? A lot of time went into this tune (we all know, we had to wait) by the same guys that designed our cars, so how can you say its crappy tune???? It doesnt make as much power as the aftermarkets, thats obvious. However, it still makes a big increase over stock, has a great power curve, and pulls REAL hard for a tune thats covered under a 5yr/100k warranty.... I mean seriously?....I picked up over 40hp and 70tq to the wheels....that makes a hell of a noticable difference..
So rather than knock it, how about "To each their OWN!"
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Not everybody is looking to make as much power as they possible can...people have different plans for their cars. Like I said, for me its plenty of power for what I need, and the fact that I keep my warranty is great because now I can dump money into the vette without having to worry about blowing up my DD because I went with some extreme tune and pushed it too hard

Im just getting annoyed with people saying the tune is crap, because its not. Have you even driven a Stg 1 car?? A lot of time went into this tune (we all know, we had to wait) by the same guys that designed our cars, so how can you say its crappy tune???? It doesnt make as much power as the aftermarkets, thats obvious. However, it still makes a big increase over stock, has a great power curve, and pulls REAL hard for a tune thats covered under a 5yr/100k warranty.... I mean seriously?....I picked up over 40hp and 70tq to the wheels....that makes a hell of a noticable difference..
So rather than knock it, how about "To each their OWN!"
lol i love how all this thread is an argument about whp, whos tune is better, and what numbers.
its a ******* cobalt.
i know it can be a somewhat fast car and all...but 300 whp range...whichever way you slice is is no where close to being a monster. so whether someone makes 320, or 360 shouldn't make a difference.
if you want huge power buy a real race car, not a gm economy car thats been souped up a bit.
don't get me wrong, i love my car.
but this isn't about seeing whos cobalt is best, its a community of people that love their cars so instead of arguing about all this **** just get over it and grow up.
you don't have to prove your e-dick is bigger than anyone elses.
its a ******* cobalt.
i know it can be a somewhat fast car and all...but 300 whp range...whichever way you slice is is no where close to being a monster. so whether someone makes 320, or 360 shouldn't make a difference.
if you want huge power buy a real race car, not a gm economy car thats been souped up a bit.
don't get me wrong, i love my car.
but this isn't about seeing whos cobalt is best, its a community of people that love their cars so instead of arguing about all this **** just get over it and grow up.
you don't have to prove your e-dick is bigger than anyone elses.
Last edited by Staged07SS; Dec 29, 2009 at 02:11 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
economy car my ass..... we spent f#@!$%^& 25 grand for this car. a versa is an economy car, its not just a cobalt, i drove an LS and that is just a cobalt. and everyone here has different ideas about what is the best a/f ratio for a tuned DI LNF, and even what the factory a/f's are!!!
Oh btw, gms1 says peak trq is at 4300 rpms, up from 2000 rpms with stock, so is this some trq lag goin on with stage 1, does trifecta and hp tuners hit lower with trq?
Oh btw, gms1 says peak trq is at 4300 rpms, up from 2000 rpms with stock, so is this some trq lag goin on with stage 1, does trifecta and hp tuners hit lower with trq?
economy car my ass..... we spent f#@!$%^& 25 grand for this car. a versa is an economy car, its not just a cobalt, i drove an LS and that is just a cobalt. and everyone here has different ideas about what is the best a/f ratio for a tuned DI LNF, and even what the factory a/f's are!!!
Oh btw, gms1 says peak trq is at 4300 rpms, up from 2000 rpms with stock, so is this some trq lag goin on with stage 1, does trifecta and hp tuners hit lower with trq?
Oh btw, gms1 says peak trq is at 4300 rpms, up from 2000 rpms with stock, so is this some trq lag goin on with stage 1, does trifecta and hp tuners hit lower with trq?
25k?
ouch...
nothing but the truth.
it is a cobalt.
i love mine. but its not capable of anything like 6, 7, 8, 9 + hundred whp.
its made to be an economically priced car that doesn't generally guzzle gas, but still has some fun to it.
to each their own.
every tune is different, every tuner is different.
i'm just tired of people asking for more info on tunes and what kind of power they yield, and then bashing it later on and saying that theres no way, etc, different dynos all that.
if you're just gonna talk **** later on then why even ask anything to begin with.
its not a competition.
Last edited by ei3dag3; Dec 29, 2009 at 03:11 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
ok, here we go again
i have an 09 balt ss/tc sedan with lsd and sunroof. yes it was around 25k, but remember i traded in an sti that i still owed 20 grand on (had 25k on odo) and i got into the balt with not one penny out of my pocket, nothing. i got paymets of 385 a month for 72 months which equals 27720. the balts with lsd and sunrood equal about 25 k with destination charges and tax and mv fee NOT included which brings it to about 27k TOTAL. my 72 payments come to 27770, 770 above what car is worth after everything. got 72 months with %1 interest rate.
i know u guys are gonna say i got ripped and u walked out with your balt for 19k and yada, yada, yada, BS, a big BS, unless u paid hard cash for it or put down 5-6k. one thing i have learned in life, #1 thing people lie about (exaggerate) is how much money they make and up there is also how much of a 'deal' they got on their car, especially when talking with someone who has same car as them!! btw, I have a credit score of about 800. be honest guys, please...
i know u guys are gonna say i got ripped and u walked out with your balt for 19k and yada, yada, yada, BS, a big BS, unless u paid hard cash for it or put down 5-6k. one thing i have learned in life, #1 thing people lie about (exaggerate) is how much money they make and up there is also how much of a 'deal' they got on their car, especially when talking with someone who has same car as them!! btw, I have a credit score of about 800. be honest guys, please...
read the previous posts
who's talking about selling anyone cars here??? READ THE POSTS. my point was that people are full of crap when they say they 'walked' out with their balt ss/tc for 19k and blah, blah, blah. i mentioned my credit score because if anyone could get the great deal that every bull@#$%^& here talks about , its me. i have leased and bought and financed for the past 20 years. yes this car is 25k and no dealer unless they are mental are gonna release a ss/tc for 19k or even 20k!! tell me that u make 100 k a year, right? gimme a freaking break
who's talking about selling anyone cars here??? READ THE POSTS. my point was that people are full of crap when they say they 'walked' out with their balt ss/tc for 19k and blah, blah, blah. i mentioned my credit score because if anyone could get the great deal that every bull@#$%^& here talks about , its me. i have leased and bought and financed for the past 20 years. yes this car is 25k and no dealer unless they are mental are gonna release a ss/tc for 19k or even 20k!! tell me that u make 100 k a year, right? gimme a freaking break
my credit score is 680.
my dad had to cosign, but i got my car for 19k.
i had 3k negative equity, but then i put down a 3k downpayment and knocked down the negative equity.
i have a 7% interest though. my car is a new 09.
this ss/tc sat there from the beginning of 09 till i bought it.
i even test drove it 3 different times, with dif people haha
they wanted it gone.
I don't know about other people but mine was advertised for $18.5k brand new, no hail damage or any of that noise. The dealership where I got it bought it from another dealership in NJ that was shutting down due to the economy, hence the cheap price. It had like 512 miles on it where it was driven from dealer to dealer. I don't lie either, what would be the point? I def don't make 100k a year, I drive a cobalt lol
hmm, well i'm 19.
my credit score is 680.
my dad had to cosign, but i got my car for 19k.
i had 3k negative equity, but then i put down a 3k downpayment and knocked down the negative equity.
i have a 7% interest though. my car is a new 09.
this ss/tc sat there from the beginning of 09 till i bought it.
i even test drove it 3 different times, with dif people haha
they wanted it gone.
my credit score is 680.
my dad had to cosign, but i got my car for 19k.
i had 3k negative equity, but then i put down a 3k downpayment and knocked down the negative equity.
i have a 7% interest though. my car is a new 09.
this ss/tc sat there from the beginning of 09 till i bought it.
i even test drove it 3 different times, with dif people haha
they wanted it gone.
Whats your monthly payment? Technically you paid 22 for the car. Also that doesn't include TT&L.
Whats with this website and its members spouting off at the mouth without proving ANYTHING?
Whats with all the clowns on her that post dyno numbers without a dyno sheet? Or claim they have the fastest cobalt with ZERO track times.
Whats with the Kill section having 1000 threads and 2 videos?
Whats with all these people running their mouths and not proving ****?
Last edited by Spins All Day; Dec 30, 2009 at 02:04 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
25k?
ouch...
nothing but the truth.
it is a cobalt.
i love mine. but its not capable of anything like 6, 7, 8, 9 + hundred whp.
its made to be an economically priced car that doesn't generally guzzle gas, but still has some fun to it.
to each their own.
every tune is different, every tuner is different.
i'm just tired of people asking for more info on tunes and what kind of power they yield, and then bashing it later on and saying that theres no way, etc, different dynos all that.
if you're just gonna talk **** later on then why even ask anything to begin with.
its not a competition.
ouch...
nothing but the truth.
it is a cobalt.
i love mine. but its not capable of anything like 6, 7, 8, 9 + hundred whp.
its made to be an economically priced car that doesn't generally guzzle gas, but still has some fun to it.
to each their own.
every tune is different, every tuner is different.
i'm just tired of people asking for more info on tunes and what kind of power they yield, and then bashing it later on and saying that theres no way, etc, different dynos all that.
if you're just gonna talk **** later on then why even ask anything to begin with.
its not a competition.
19K ouch.
Whats your monthly payment? Technically you paid 22 for the car. Also that doesn't include TT&L.
Whats with this website and its members spouting off at the mouth without proving ANYTHING?
Whats with all the clowns on her that post dyno numbers without a dyno sheet? Or claim they have the fastest cobalt with ZERO track times.
Whats with the Kill section having 1000 threads and 2 videos?
Whats with all these people running their mouths and not proving ****?
Whats your monthly payment? Technically you paid 22 for the car. Also that doesn't include TT&L.
Whats with this website and its members spouting off at the mouth without proving ANYTHING?
Whats with all the clowns on her that post dyno numbers without a dyno sheet? Or claim they have the fastest cobalt with ZERO track times.
Whats with the Kill section having 1000 threads and 2 videos?
Whats with all these people running their mouths and not proving ****?
i have an 09 balt ss/tc sedan with lsd and sunroof. yes it was around 25k, but remember i traded in an sti that i still owed 20 grand on (had 25k on odo) and i got into the balt with not one penny out of my pocket, nothing. i got paymets of 385 a month for 72 months which equals 27720. the balts with lsd and sunrood equal about 25 k with destination charges and tax and mv fee NOT included which brings it to about 27k TOTAL. my 72 payments come to 27770, 770 above what car is worth after everything. got 72 months with %1 interest rate.
i know u guys are gonna say i got ripped and u walked out with your balt for 19k and yada, yada, yada, BS, a big BS, unless u paid hard cash for it or put down 5-6k. one thing i have learned in life, #1 thing people lie about (exaggerate) is how much money they make and up there is also how much of a 'deal' they got on their car, especially when talking with someone who has same car as them!! btw, I have a credit score of about 800. be honest guys, please...
i know u guys are gonna say i got ripped and u walked out with your balt for 19k and yada, yada, yada, BS, a big BS, unless u paid hard cash for it or put down 5-6k. one thing i have learned in life, #1 thing people lie about (exaggerate) is how much money they make and up there is also how much of a 'deal' they got on their car, especially when talking with someone who has same car as them!! btw, I have a credit score of about 800. be honest guys, please...
Sorry...back on topic.
Whats with this website and its members spouting off at the mouth without proving ANYTHING?
Whats with all the clowns on her that post dyno numbers without a dyno sheet? Or claim they have the fastest cobalt with ZERO track times.
Whats with the Kill section having 1000 threads and 2 videos?
Whats with all these people running their mouths and not proving ****?
Im not talking about this forum either, every car forum, just walk away....
Give or take, they are all like this.
i have an 09 balt ss/tc sedan with lsd and sunroof. yes it was around 25k, but remember i traded in an sti that i still owed 20 grand on (had 25k on odo) and i got into the balt with not one penny out of my pocket, nothing. i got paymets of 385 a month for 72 months which equals 27720. the balts with lsd and sunrood equal about 25 k with destination charges and tax and mv fee NOT included which brings it to about 27k TOTAL. my 72 payments come to 27770, 770 above what car is worth after everything. got 72 months with %1 interest rate.
i know u guys are gonna say i got ripped and u walked out with your balt for 19k and yada, yada, yada, BS, a big BS, unless u paid hard cash for it or put down 5-6k. one thing i have learned in life, #1 thing people lie about (exaggerate) is how much money they make and up there is also how much of a 'deal' they got on their car, especially when talking with someone who has same car as them!! btw, I have a credit score of about 800. be honest guys, please...
i know u guys are gonna say i got ripped and u walked out with your balt for 19k and yada, yada, yada, BS, a big BS, unless u paid hard cash for it or put down 5-6k. one thing i have learned in life, #1 thing people lie about (exaggerate) is how much money they make and up there is also how much of a 'deal' they got on their car, especially when talking with someone who has same car as them!! btw, I have a credit score of about 800. be honest guys, please...
who's talking about selling anyone cars here??? READ THE POSTS. my point was that people are full of crap when they say they 'walked' out with their balt ss/tc for 19k and blah, blah, blah. i mentioned my credit score because if anyone could get the great deal that every bull@#$%^& here talks about , its me. i have leased and bought and financed for the past 20 years. yes this car is 25k and no dealer unless they are mental are gonna release a ss/tc for 19k or even 20k!! tell me that u make 100 k a year, right? gimme a freaking break
Look man, quit trying to validate yourself. Your just comming off as an ass. No one cares about how long you been in the "game" or how much money you make, or what your credit score is.
A rich man doesn't have to tell you he is rich.
i have an 09 balt ss/tc sedan with lsd and sunroof. yes it was around 25k, but remember i traded in an sti that i still owed 20 grand on (had 25k on odo) and i got into the balt with not one penny out of my pocket, nothing. i got paymets of 385 a month for 72 months which equals 27720. the balts with lsd and sunrood equal about 25 k with destination charges and tax and mv fee NOT included which brings it to about 27k TOTAL. my 72 payments come to 27770, 770 above what car is worth after everything. got 72 months with %1 interest rate.
i know u guys are gonna say i got ripped and u walked out with your balt for 19k and yada, yada, yada, BS, a big BS, unless u paid hard cash for it or put down 5-6k. one thing i have learned in life, #1 thing people lie about (exaggerate) is how much money they make and up there is also how much of a 'deal' they got on their car, especially when talking with someone who has same car as them!! btw, I have a credit score of about 800. be honest guys, please...
i know u guys are gonna say i got ripped and u walked out with your balt for 19k and yada, yada, yada, BS, a big BS, unless u paid hard cash for it or put down 5-6k. one thing i have learned in life, #1 thing people lie about (exaggerate) is how much money they make and up there is also how much of a 'deal' they got on their car, especially when talking with someone who has same car as them!! btw, I have a credit score of about 800. be honest guys, please...
he's right though
maybe and I mean maybe, a dealer that is on the skids and facing a local closing may mark down the msrp but they will make up for it in other areas to get their invoice. or if someone drove it for a month and turned it back in, and then u gotta wonder why. its funny when i used to own an sti, i would browse nasioc and no one would really bs there, all hardcore guys that were upfront about their 'monthly payments' and 'numbers' . i guess its the age demographic difference between the two cars. and maybe I could of gotten car for 375 a month for 72 months with zero down and a %1 percent interest, but i didn't want to haggling and debating with the manager, was just happy they were paying off my subie and taking it off my hands. i'm done with this crap.
LOL
all the haters....I paid less than dealer cost......believe what you wish
With all taxes and everything.....
ALl said n done,
MSRP $28,505 CAD
write a cheque for $21,955................and thats what I did, write a frikn cheque for that much.....
that was a great deal, cheaper than my wifes brand new 2007 civic LX when we bought it in 07
all the haters....I paid less than dealer cost......believe what you wish
With all taxes and everything.....
ALl said n done,
MSRP $28,505 CAD
write a cheque for $21,955................and thats what I did, write a frikn cheque for that much.....
that was a great deal, cheaper than my wifes brand new 2007 civic LX when we bought it in 07
yes, i agree with you about people just talkin and showing. i mean again, no dealer is gonna give someone a car that msrp's for 24,995 (go freaking look up that number, that includes lsd and sunroof) for 19K, such bullshitters here on this site, little freaking kids walking in with their dads with shitty credit scores, well ya know what, even if your daddy co signed for you with his 800 credit score, you still ain't gettin that fully loaded balt ss/tc for 19 k out the door, liars!! go scan and post your bill of sale dumbasses. and this guy has every right to bitch about it, just be honest and provide proof if your gonna make forward a claim that might seem 'off the mark'.
maybe and I mean maybe, a dealer that is on the skids and facing a local closing may mark down the msrp but they will make up for it in other areas to get their invoice. or if someone drove it for a month and turned it back in, and then u gotta wonder why. its funny when i used to own an sti, i would browse nasioc and no one would really bs there, all hardcore guys that were upfront about their 'monthly payments' and 'numbers' . i guess its the age demographic difference between the two cars. and maybe I could of gotten car for 375 a month for 72 months with zero down and a %1 percent interest, but i didn't want to haggling and debating with the manager, was just happy they were paying off my subie and taking it off my hands. i'm done with this crap.
maybe and I mean maybe, a dealer that is on the skids and facing a local closing may mark down the msrp but they will make up for it in other areas to get their invoice. or if someone drove it for a month and turned it back in, and then u gotta wonder why. its funny when i used to own an sti, i would browse nasioc and no one would really bs there, all hardcore guys that were upfront about their 'monthly payments' and 'numbers' . i guess its the age demographic difference between the two cars. and maybe I could of gotten car for 375 a month for 72 months with zero down and a %1 percent interest, but i didn't want to haggling and debating with the manager, was just happy they were paying off my subie and taking it off my hands. i'm done with this crap.
where did i say that tuning makes no difference.
let me restate what i said "to each their own.
every tune is different, every tuner is different."
you just wanted to come in and say you beat me by three car lengths lol.
which doesn't really bother me because i know how you beat me....i just didn't say anything because it would have turned into a you're just bitching cause you lost, or excuses rant.
i'm cool with you, be cool with me. it was a good race.
but to answer your question.
theres an easy way to explain it.
i wasn't nls (car barely had over 380 miles on it, no need to break a tranny yet) had the stock dp (2 cats), still have a muffler, and the stock restriction hot side pipe. (all my piping is still the bs gm calls boost piping)
i'm also 100% sure you're tune is a lot more agressive than mine is too.
i asked for it not to be that way. i don't have a backup car like you do.
you were nls, had a dp, no muffler, and a hot side pipe.
and again i didn't say tuning didn't make a difference.i said it doesn't matter what you say on this website, because someone else is gonna become hypocritical once you answer their original questions or post your proof. thats how this site is.
exactly, even terminator one of the tuners that makes the most power with the lnf knows that if you beat me that bad you're tune was really aggressive.
my tune is actually a lit bit richer than an even 12, because its not the most aggresive it can be.
I don't know about other people but mine was advertised for $18.5k brand new, no hail damage or any of that noise. The dealership where I got it bought it from another dealership in NJ that was shutting down due to the economy, hence the cheap price. It had like 512 miles on it where it was driven from dealer to dealer. I don't lie either, what would be the point? I def don't make 100k a year, I drive a cobalt lol
mine was pretty much at this price as well...they had a lot of incentives at my dealership because the end of the year was coming.
literally knocked off **** tons off sticker price.
only problem was i had negative equity and even my 3k didn't completely take it away.
well i got the 75k warranty, the gm gap insurance, the work insurance, and the towing services. along with my interest it brings it to about 405 a month.
i was gonna be less than 400 but all that stuff added brought it up a little bit.
for my age its not bad. my credit score isn't built enough to really get a good deal yet
at least i didn't pay 25k though...i went hunting all over before i bought mine. but for some reason i already knew this one was gonna be mine. it had sat there all year, and i had test driven it a few times. it was calling my name
Last edited by ei3dag3; Dec 30, 2009 at 03:43 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost




