Whp numbers for gm lnf stage kit
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From: Des Moines, IA
I negotiated the car to 20k (LSD, Highrise, USB), and then the dealer gave me $4300ish (I forget the exact amount, been almost a year) for my 300k mile rusted up 1999 Volvo S70 beater. I financed $ 16800 and some change @ 0% though GMAC after tax/title/doc. I pay about $275/mo for it. I didn't give them a nickle in cash out of pocket.
FWIW, I played them against another dealer (who had 3 SS's that had been there forever too) to get that trade up so high. It also happened to be a warm day and the heater was off so you couldnt smell coolant inside
This was Feburary 2009 and the dealer had a bunch of SS's that hadn't moved in a long time. Hell, they still have a sedan there from when I bought!
I guess you could say I paid 20k for it, but they gave me a shitload of trade-in on a Volvo that was likely worth $500 tops. I'm sure that car went straight to the auction/crusher. The heater core was leaking, it smelled like **** inside, rusty and the electronic throttle body needed replaced (about $1000). Nothing electrical worked on it hardly anymore either. As a final **** you, that car refused to eject the CD changer magazine at the dealer and I lost 12 CD's.
My Cobalt was not wind damaged or a demo.
My point to all of this long post is, some people need to quit coming on this site trying to swing big dicks. Some of us got our cars smoking cheap, and its nothing to get pissed about. Sometimes the market works in your favor.
I bought this car PURELY because of that cheap price too, otherwise I was leaning towards a couple different cars. I make > 100k and I drive a Cobalt, so there... I swing my dick back at ya
FWIW, I played them against another dealer (who had 3 SS's that had been there forever too) to get that trade up so high. It also happened to be a warm day and the heater was off so you couldnt smell coolant inside
This was Feburary 2009 and the dealer had a bunch of SS's that hadn't moved in a long time. Hell, they still have a sedan there from when I bought!
I guess you could say I paid 20k for it, but they gave me a shitload of trade-in on a Volvo that was likely worth $500 tops. I'm sure that car went straight to the auction/crusher. The heater core was leaking, it smelled like **** inside, rusty and the electronic throttle body needed replaced (about $1000). Nothing electrical worked on it hardly anymore either. As a final **** you, that car refused to eject the CD changer magazine at the dealer and I lost 12 CD's.
My Cobalt was not wind damaged or a demo.
My point to all of this long post is, some people need to quit coming on this site trying to swing big dicks. Some of us got our cars smoking cheap, and its nothing to get pissed about. Sometimes the market works in your favor.
I bought this car PURELY because of that cheap price too, otherwise I was leaning towards a couple different cars. I make > 100k and I drive a Cobalt, so there... I swing my dick back at ya
LOL
all the haters....I paid less than dealer cost......believe what you wish
With all taxes and everything.....
ALl said n done,
MSRP $28,505 CAD
write a cheque for $21,955................and thats what I did, write a frikn cheque for that much.....
that was a great deal, cheaper than my wifes brand new 2007 civic LX when we bought it in 07
all the haters....I paid less than dealer cost......believe what you wish
With all taxes and everything.....
ALl said n done,
MSRP $28,505 CAD
write a cheque for $21,955................and thats what I did, write a frikn cheque for that much.....
that was a great deal, cheaper than my wifes brand new 2007 civic LX when we bought it in 07
idk what that turns into in american cash, i'm too lazy but judging from a mental guess you got a sweet deal
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can you read?
where did i say that tuning makes no difference.
let me restate what i said "to each their own.
every tune is different, every tuner is different."
you just wanted to come in and say you beat me by three car lengths lol.
which doesn't really bother me because i know how you beat me....i just didn't say anything because it would have turned into a you're just bitching cause you lost, or excuses rant.
i'm cool with you, be cool with me. it was a good race.
but to answer your question.
theres an easy way to explain it.
i wasn't nls (car barely had over 380 miles on it, no need to break a tranny yet) had the stock dp (2 cats), still have a muffler, and the stock restriction hot side pipe. (all my piping is still the bs gm calls boost piping)
i'm also 100% sure you're tune is a lot more agressive than mine is too.
i asked for it not to be that way. i don't have a backup car like you do.
you were nls, had a dp, no muffler, and a hot side pipe.
and again i didn't say tuning didn't make a difference.i said it doesn't matter what you say on this website, because someone else is gonna become hypocritical once you answer their original questions or post your proof. thats how this site is.
exactly, even terminator one of the tuners that makes the most power with the lnf knows that if you beat me that bad you're tune was really aggressive.
my tune is actually a lit bit richer than an even 12, because its not the most aggresive it can be.
lol i know right. if i made 100k i'd be driving something a little more tasteful :p
mine was pretty much at this price as well...they had a lot of incentives at my dealership because the end of the year was coming.
literally knocked off **** tons off sticker price.
only problem was i had negative equity and even my 3k didn't completely take it away.
well i got the 75k warranty, the gm gap insurance, the work insurance, and the towing services. along with my interest it brings it to about 405 a month.
i was gonna be less than 400 but all that stuff added brought it up a little bit.
for my age its not bad. my credit score isn't built enough to really get a good deal yet
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at least i didn't pay 25k though...i went hunting all over before i bought mine. but for some reason i already knew this one was gonna be mine. it had sat there all year, and i had test driven it a few times. it was calling my name
where did i say that tuning makes no difference.
let me restate what i said "to each their own.
every tune is different, every tuner is different."
you just wanted to come in and say you beat me by three car lengths lol.
which doesn't really bother me because i know how you beat me....i just didn't say anything because it would have turned into a you're just bitching cause you lost, or excuses rant.
i'm cool with you, be cool with me. it was a good race.
but to answer your question.
theres an easy way to explain it.
i wasn't nls (car barely had over 380 miles on it, no need to break a tranny yet) had the stock dp (2 cats), still have a muffler, and the stock restriction hot side pipe. (all my piping is still the bs gm calls boost piping)
i'm also 100% sure you're tune is a lot more agressive than mine is too.
i asked for it not to be that way. i don't have a backup car like you do.
you were nls, had a dp, no muffler, and a hot side pipe.
and again i didn't say tuning didn't make a difference.i said it doesn't matter what you say on this website, because someone else is gonna become hypocritical once you answer their original questions or post your proof. thats how this site is.
exactly, even terminator one of the tuners that makes the most power with the lnf knows that if you beat me that bad you're tune was really aggressive.
my tune is actually a lit bit richer than an even 12, because its not the most aggresive it can be.
lol i know right. if i made 100k i'd be driving something a little more tasteful :p
mine was pretty much at this price as well...they had a lot of incentives at my dealership because the end of the year was coming.
literally knocked off **** tons off sticker price.
only problem was i had negative equity and even my 3k didn't completely take it away.
well i got the 75k warranty, the gm gap insurance, the work insurance, and the towing services. along with my interest it brings it to about 405 a month.
i was gonna be less than 400 but all that stuff added brought it up a little bit.
for my age its not bad. my credit score isn't built enough to really get a good deal yet
. at least i didn't pay 25k though...i went hunting all over before i bought mine. but for some reason i already knew this one was gonna be mine. it had sat there all year, and i had test driven it a few times. it was calling my name
then how would he know that i raced an lnf that ran 19 psi, and i ran 24?
there was no info on css about that info.
atx = austin, tx no?
only lnf i've ever ran was a victory red cobalt with those mods.
i've only raced 3 people with my car.
a really cool guy with a stock supra, one wrx that had some mods, and the red lnf.
drivers name starts with a d.
was a cool guy last time we raced.
there was no info on css about that info.
atx = austin, tx no?
only lnf i've ever ran was a victory red cobalt with those mods.
i've only raced 3 people with my car.
a really cool guy with a stock supra, one wrx that had some mods, and the red lnf.
drivers name starts with a d.
was a cool guy last time we raced.
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who's talking about selling anyone cars here??? READ THE POSTS. my point was that people are full of crap when they say they 'walked' out with their balt ss/tc for 19k and blah, blah, blah. i mentioned my credit score because if anyone could get the great deal that every bull@#$%^& here talks about , its me. i have leased and bought and financed for the past 20 years. yes this car is 25k and no dealer unless they are mental are gonna release a ss/tc for 19k or even 20k!! tell me that u make 100 k a year, right? gimme a freaking break
Me 100k a year?? Nay.. I did get my balt for right around 20-21k. 0% for 5 years. Only put 2k down... just to make the payments where i wanted them. To me.. that was a very good deal and negotiated for the window to get tinted and a free oil change. Did you just wake up from your nap?
Wow...drama on every page...why can't we all get along...no matter what we do, we drive cobalts, of course unless u go Marty ladwigs route, in which case u drive a tube chassis car that resembles a cobalt :p
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then how would he know that i raced an lnf that ran 19 psi, and i ran 24?
there was no info on css about that info.
atx = austin, tx no?
only lnf i've ever ran was a victory red cobalt with those mods.
i've only raced 3 people with my car.
a really cool guy with a stock supra, one wrx that had some mods, and the red lnf.
drivers name starts with a d.
was a cool guy last time we raced.
there was no info on css about that info.
atx = austin, tx no?
only lnf i've ever ran was a victory red cobalt with those mods.
i've only raced 3 people with my car.
a really cool guy with a stock supra, one wrx that had some mods, and the red lnf.
drivers name starts with a d.
was a cool guy last time we raced.
So the 24psi cobalt has a poor tune? Is that what youre saying?
Last edited by IslangD; Dec 30, 2009 at 06:44 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
gotcha, that makes sense. spinsallday, when did you move to az
part of it, since you're asking ill repeat what i said though.
during race -
spinsallday -
unrestrictive - hot pipe- check
nls - check
unrestrictive exhaust - check
more aggressive tune - check
me
mods - stock
nls - wasn't using it
bit richer 12.2-12.3 a/f ratio tune less aggresive- check
so thats why i lost.
nls makes a big difference, an unrestrictive exhaust makes a hell of a difference (anyone can tell you this), and then finally the tune.
i purposefully told vince i wanted my car to be a little richer.
i don't want anything to blow up...its my dd. yea i waste a little bit of fuel, and its not as efficient as it could be but it makes me feel better that my **** isn't gonna blow up. hell my shift point isn't even very high. 6.8k
so it makes sense that the tune, and the mods are why he beat me.
when i put on my catless dp my car felt a lot different, so i can't imagine what getting rid of the muffler and doing more mods would do like possibly going to 3" piping or something like that. but i'm not gonna prolly. i like the stock exhaust sound with the catless dp.
now for the tune-
its not that my car has a poor tune, its that is runs richer than spins'.
just because i'm making more boost, doesn't mean more power.
i could add more timing, and i'm sure tighten and adjust the fuel trims so that way its running leaner. but i don't see why. my car is good for now.
Last edited by ei3dag3; Dec 30, 2009 at 09:22 PM.
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It has less power on more pressure. So not the most efficient tune for sure. Rich is worse for these motors IMHO. GM has them way leaner in the midrange than most can imagine. They must think that a 14.0 A/F is safe enough for their warranty. My saying is "just say know to hosing the cylinders down with gasoline", and I still believe 14.0 is way too lean as far as torque and HP goes though.
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It has less power on more pressure. So not the most efficient tune for sure. Rich is worse for these motors IMHO. GM has them way leaner in the midrange than most can imagine. They must think that a 14.0 A/F is safe enough for their warranty. My saying is "just say know to hosing the cylinders down with gasoline", and I still believe 14.0 is way too lean as far as torque and HP goes though.
extremely rich could be bad, but running 12.2-12.3 makes me feel safer.
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i have an 09 balt ss/tc sedan with lsd and sunroof. yes it was around 25k, but remember i traded in an sti that i still owed 20 grand on (had 25k on odo) and i got into the balt with not one penny out of my pocket, nothing. i got paymets of 385 a month for 72 months which equals 27720. the balts with lsd and sunrood equal about 25 k with destination charges and tax and mv fee NOT included which brings it to about 27k TOTAL. my 72 payments come to 27770, 770 above what car is worth after everything. got 72 months with %1 interest rate.
i know u guys are gonna say i got ripped and u walked out with your balt for 19k and yada, yada, yada, BS, a big BS, unless u paid hard cash for it or put down 5-6k. one thing i have learned in life, #1 thing people lie about (exaggerate) is how much money they make and up there is also how much of a 'deal' they got on their car, especially when talking with someone who has same car as them!! btw, I have a credit score of about 800. be honest guys, please...
i know u guys are gonna say i got ripped and u walked out with your balt for 19k and yada, yada, yada, BS, a big BS, unless u paid hard cash for it or put down 5-6k. one thing i have learned in life, #1 thing people lie about (exaggerate) is how much money they make and up there is also how much of a 'deal' they got on their car, especially when talking with someone who has same car as them!! btw, I have a credit score of about 800. be honest guys, please...
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wahh wahh im not trying to get as much power as possible, if i was i wouldnt have gone for a cobalt. i beg to differ about breaking loose in third gear on that GM tune, im not saying impossible but ill believe it when i see it. also, i was making 330whp and 367wtq before my downpipe, and i do absolutely fine driving to work, you just gotta know how to drive a stick. i dont mean to bash the stage kit and yea dude i totally agree on the guys dumping money into these DDs, why put a bigger turbo on and make it unreliable, look at the numbers of people with aftermarket turbos and the problems they have even if theyre built by the best of the best. just too risky especially if you CANT call out of work like me
This tune is perfect for my DD. I can break loose in the first 3 gears....I really dont need anymore. I want to be able to drive this thing in the snow/rain without worrying about losing traction.
Not everybody is looking to make as much power as they possible can...people have different plans for their cars. Like I said, for me its plenty of power for what I need, and the fact that I keep my warranty is great because now I can dump money into the vette without having to worry about blowing up my DD because I went with some extreme tune and pushed it too hard
Im just getting annoyed with people saying the tune is crap, because its not. Have you even driven a Stg 1 car?? A lot of time went into this tune (we all know, we had to wait) by the same guys that designed our cars, so how can you say its crappy tune???? It doesnt make as much power as the aftermarkets, thats obvious. However, it still makes a big increase over stock, has a great power curve, and pulls REAL hard for a tune thats covered under a 5yr/100k warranty.... I mean seriously?....I picked up over 40hp and 70tq to the wheels....that makes a hell of a noticable difference..
So rather than knock it, how about "To each their OWN!"
This tune is perfect for my DD. I can break loose in the first 3 gears....I really dont need anymore. I want to be able to drive this thing in the snow/rain without worrying about losing traction.Not everybody is looking to make as much power as they possible can...people have different plans for their cars. Like I said, for me its plenty of power for what I need, and the fact that I keep my warranty is great because now I can dump money into the vette without having to worry about blowing up my DD because I went with some extreme tune and pushed it too hard
Im just getting annoyed with people saying the tune is crap, because its not. Have you even driven a Stg 1 car?? A lot of time went into this tune (we all know, we had to wait) by the same guys that designed our cars, so how can you say its crappy tune???? It doesnt make as much power as the aftermarkets, thats obvious. However, it still makes a big increase over stock, has a great power curve, and pulls REAL hard for a tune thats covered under a 5yr/100k warranty.... I mean seriously?....I picked up over 40hp and 70tq to the wheels....that makes a hell of a noticable difference..
So rather than knock it, how about "To each their OWN!"
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wahh wahh im not trying to get as much power as possible, if i was i wouldnt have gone for a cobalt. i beg to differ about breaking loose in third gear on that GM tune, im not saying impossible but ill believe it when i see it. also, i was making 330whp and 367wtq before my downpipe, and i do absolutely fine driving to work, you just gotta know how to drive a stick. i dont mean to bash the stage kit and yea dude i totally agree on the guys dumping money into these DDs, why put a bigger turbo on and make it unreliable, look at the numbers of people with aftermarket turbos and the problems they have even if theyre built by the best of the best. just too risky especially if you CANT call out of work like me
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